2degrees makes $76.8m loss on $107m revenue
2degrees may have won market share far faster than analysts anticipated, but the customer grab has come at a high price.
The US-controlled company made a net loss of $78.6 million on revenue of $107.6 million for the 12 months ending December 31, 2010, according to documents filed with the Companies Office.
The revenue figure gives body to the carrier’s recent claim that it has 580,000 active connections, representing around 11% of the market.
In 2degrees’ only other filing, for the nine months ended December 31, 2009, the company posted a loss of $51.8 million on revenue of $27 million.
2degrees launched in August 2009.
The privately-held company has never set a target date for making a profit, but has said it expects losses for several years.
Telecom doesn't break out profit and loss figures for its mobile operation, which sits within its retail division.
For its 2010 financial year, Vodafone NZ made $122 million (down from $178 million in 2009) on revenue that was static at $1.6 billion. Vodafone has around 2.5 million customers.
Ad spend leaps
The company’s wage bill rose from $20 million for the nine months to December 31 to $36 million for 2010.
The company spent $18.1 million on advertising and marketing for 2010 versus $8.5 million for its nine-month 2009 period.
More money raised, more on the way
During 2010, 2degrees upgraded its network to 3G. Existing shareholders put an extra $87 million into the company over the year to fund the expansion, launching a retail network and day-to-day running costs. The extra capital put 2degrees’ total investment so far to $US400 million.
The carrier has also secured $100 million in vendor financing from its main telecommunications equipment supplier, Huawei (a deal initially announced in February). 2degrees expects to access the money over the next 24 months as it expands its network (currently the company has its own infrastructure in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Queenstown. In other areas it relies on a domestic roaming agreement with Vodafone).
Maori holding falls in share reshuffle
With not all parties able to fully participate in new share issues, there has been some reshuffling of 2degrees’ holdings over the past year.
Seattle-based Trilogy International Partners, which has investments in phone companies around the world, has increased its majority control (in February 2010, Trilogy gained Overseas Investment Office approval to take 100% control of 2degrees should circumstances arise).
Trilogy now owns 58% of the company.
The Hautaki Trust, which brought vital, government-discounted iwi spectrum to the company, saw its holding diluted to 10% from 13%.
KLR Holdings, the Hong Kong-based investment vehicle of 2degrees founder Tex Edwards, sold around half its holding during the year and now has a 1.15% stake in the company.
Amsterdam based Tresbit B.V holds 28.5%. During the year, Tresbit took on the investment formerly held by UK-based CVP.
Private equality value increases
2degrees lists its total shares (in New Zealand dollars) at $330 million for December 31, versus $244 million at the start of the year.
Using the Black Scholes framework, the company priced its private equity shares at $US0.89, an increase over the $US0.62 listed in the company’s 2009 statement.























Comments and questions37
Awesome!! buying business in a rapidly commoditising, downwards trending market isnt sustainable or attractive. I'd question how long it'll be before their US parent throws their toys out of the cot and walks. What happens then?
"Awesome!! buying business in a rapidly commoditising, downwards trending market isnt sustainable or attractive. I'd question how long it'll be before their US parent throws their toys out of the cot and walks. What happens then?"
Unfortunately I fear that TelstraClear will step in and buy them and we'll all be worse off as we've seen with old Saturn and Clear Coms..
Sounds like money dow the toilet. Voda and Telecom will be making Comerce commission complaints as this is unfair and unsustainable competition!
You two are very narrow minded, any company that invests in this sort of expansion WILL make a loss in it's first few years. Its only logical. Remember KiwiBank? You guys all have short ass memories or are just ignorant.
Uh hang on a minute - Bnaking is a very different market to mobile.
How about you enagage your brain and look at projected dollars per minute or per megabyte and have a wee think before putting pinky to qwerty
I see, so you have setup a phone network before then?
Its like any new business, losses are expected when heavy investment is made...
How about YOU have a wee think. Any company that makes a decent profit within the first 3 years is Very Very lucky.
I note 2 degrees is now building out it's network. If there was no return on investment they would not be wasting their money. Do these clowns enjoy being ripped off by Telecom and Vodafone. It is going to take time to establish 2 degrees in the marketplace.
Yes you could say I have some experience in the matter - I doubt 2Degrees will make any money over the next 6 years, let alone the next 3 years - ARPU (average revenue per user) is tanking and will only get worse with UFB which will see calling revenues slashed. then there's the economic impact of having to subsidise handsets, in particular smart phones - take a look at the EU, US or Canadian market - they're ugly places to be at the moment. so how about you calm down and take a deep breath
So you have experience in Starting up companies too? Wow you must be some real wizz kid!
Thanks glad you've finally realise my brilliance. So how long have you been at 2degrees?
2Degrees is not building out its network, There network vendor (Chinese company) is paying for it, 2Degrees has not money
Yes but they are paying it back with interest plus 2D did sign a contract.
Hence the term: finance
(sic) There network vendor isnt paying for it and 2Degrees mostly roam on Vodas network. do you have a spellchecker????
(sic) There network vendor isnt paying for it and 2Degrees mostly roam on Vodas network. do you have a spellchecker????
(sic) There network vendor isnt paying for it and 2Degrees mostly roam on Vodas network. do you have a spellchecker????
Yes there network Vendor is paying to build out the network!! Check your facts retard
Bollocks. 2D have a loan from Huawei to build out their network. What else is news retard.
Next thing the Chinese will own 2Degrees as they will not be able to afford to pay back the vendor! FAIL
Do you work for Vfone or Telecom. Sounds like a dose of sour grapes. Get over it.
Mmmm. I guess your accounting skills aren't as honed as your abusive language. What does Mr Keall have to say?
So if my business only turned over just under $100K, but 40% or so was pure profit - is my business more successful?
Pretty much... Thinks the NZ public.
We should rename the public's option something to dorkingwood...
I suspect the loss is more about depreciation and largely a tax dodge - yet another foriegn owned company ripping off tax paying kiwis....
It's a hard road.... But strange to see depreciation ($36m) tracking so far ahead of capex ($22m). Doesn't look like the accounts of a business investing for growth. You would expect to see capex way ahead of depreciation.
the fact remains that with 2 Degrees calls (if they're not randomly disconencting), sound terrible and surfing on my phone is an atrocious experience.
Sometimes being the cheapest in town isnt all its cracked up to be. Maybe someone should buy these losers
Probably when roaming on the Vfone network. How old is your phone.
I am on their main network and it works perfectly...
Few dropped calls, if any... and I just scored a speedtest of 4mb download which is actually FASTER than my TC Cable connection!
Children, children, calm down. Its a half assed telcom who were doomed to fail anyway - who cares! Go Vodafone - at least they apologise every single month for screwing something up.
yes I'd be worried if I were vodafone. the real shame of it is that if Vodafone survive money will still be syphoned out of the NZ economy and if 2Degrees survive money also gets syphoned to pay of VC funding... total fail on both accounts for poor old NZ
What interests me is that most of the arguments here are pretty much for the other telcos to charge us the stupidly high rates they always have!
lets have a national dont pay your phone bill month. that way we can all get cut off, the telcos go bust, we have no phones and we are all happy. Whos in?
Actually if you're with voda skip the dont pay your bill idea - I dont want to get the sack!
In Reply to the imposter Get real People - I dont work for Vodafone, those bitches work for me!
Great write-up cause in my language, I can not find much good source like this. I am a big believer in commenting on blogs to help the blog writers know that they?ve added something worthwhile to the world wide web!
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I cant see what the fuss is - I bought a 2 degrees phone, it was cheap and seemed to do what I needed but its battery life really sucked - I was struggling to get a day out of it, and get this, its a crappy Nokia dumphone... Awesome I'm now paying more and going with a real telco rather than a mickey mouse operation held together with sticky tape and false hopes
ITT: People who don't understand the difference between their network and their phone.