'Barry Hart never told us about legal aid' – witness
UPDATE / 6pm yesterday: Barrister Barry Hart is accused of not telling a Samoan family they were entitled to legal aid before hitting them with a $35,000 legal bill.
The Law Society has brought charges against Mr Hart, accusing him of gross overcharging.
A professional misconduct hearing today, continuing in the absence of Mr Hart or any lawyer representing him, heard from the older sister – whose name is suppressed – of the client to whom the fees were charged.
She says the family first met with Mr Hart on November 13, 2008, to discuss her younger brother's case, but when asked about how much he would charge them, Mr Hart was vague.
"He somehow twisted it so he didn't answer the question, and moved on to another subject."
Later in the conversation, he told them $10,000 would be a starting point. The woman's aunty in Samoa provided the funds.
Mr Hart later charged them a further $10,000 and $15,000.
Law Society lawyer Paul Collins asked the woman what prompted them to end their relationship with Mr Hart.
"It was probably that we learnt there was such a thing as legal aid.
"I knew nothing about legal aid. I had never set foot in a police station. I didn't know the legal system at all."
She says Mr Hart's staff also told the woman and her family they could call Mr Hart's chambers for advice or to talk about the case.
The woman alleges they were not told these calls were being billed at $1000 an hour.
"We made so many phone calls. We had family members calling the office asking questions."
The tipping point came when Mr Hart made a flippant, almost "cheeky", response to a fee being paid.
"He made the comment like, 'Have the money ready and we'll be in business.'
"That's when I thought, this is no longer this nice person who has said, 'I've thought about it, we have a way we can plead this case'."
When questioned by the tribunal about why she didn't raise the issue of the fees if she thought they were exorbitant, the woman said she thought "that's just how it worked".
The hearing is proceeding.
UPDATE / 5pm: High-profile Auckland barrister Barry Hart's charged a client $1000 an hour despite much of the work being done by a junior lawyer.
At a professional misconduct hearing prosecuted by the Law Society, lawyer Paul Collins says Mr Hart charged $35,000 for work which included three court hearings in 2008 which lasted a total of one hour and 16 minutes.
Mr Collins says some of Mr Hart's time recording was done almost two weeks later and much of the work on the case was done by a competent junior lawyer, who had been admitted to the bar two months earlier.
Mr Hart – who is being prosecuted by the Law Society's standards committee – is accused of grossly overcharging a person he defended and not informing a private investigator that his account was subject to approval by the Legal Service Agency.
He is also charged with not disclosing a file to the Auckland District Law Society and the Law Society complaints committee.
Mr Collins says despite numerous delays and time extensions, Mr Hart still hasn't provided the file, which was first requested in November 2008.
The complaints committee dropped the complaint because of Mr Hart's resistance, he says, which was characterised by "persistent delay, distraction and obfuscation".
Mr Collins says it is improbable that a private investigator accustomed to dealing with criminal lawyers would undertake work at the risk he would not get paid, should the Legal Service Agency not approve it.
All witnesses and complainants at the hearing have interim name suppression.
UPDATE / 4pm: A request to further delay the Barry Hart disciplinary tribunal hearing have been refused, after secret discussions.
Reporters were asked to leave the Auckland district court room after the high-profile crime barrister's lawyer, Nigel Cooke, asked to speak to the Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal in chambers.
The court re-opened nine minutes later, with tribunal chairwoman Judge Dale Clarkson saying she was not prepared to delay the hearing, which had been set months ago, until tomorrow morning.
Mr Cooke excused himself and the hearing continued.
Yesterday morning: A Law Society standards committee prosecution of high-profile Auckland crime barrister Barry Hart will continue, despite Mr Hart's absence through illness.
Mr Hart sent the Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal a doctor's certificate late on Friday afternoon and sought an adjournment – the fourth time the hearing would have been put off.
The five-member tribunal wanted to hear from the doctor because the certificate lacked detail, but Mr Hart's lawyer, Nigel Cooke, told the tribunal today the doctor refused to appear. Another certificate, concerning some of the symptoms, was sent today.
After considering public interest issues and the rights of Mr Hart to be represented, tribunal chairwoman Judge Dale Clarkson said the hearing, at Auckland district court, will continue.
"This matter has an extraordinary history of delay and prevarication on the part of the practitioner," Judge Clarkson says.
"The tribunal holds grave concerns about Mr Hart's willingness to participate in this hearing."
Judge Clarkson says some of the matters were first investigated in 2008 and Mr Hart – who has now been represented by at least six different lawyers, including three Queen's counsel – had sought adjournments three times, including in February of this year.
Mr Hart is accused of grossly overcharging a person he defended by $35,000, and not informing a private investigator that his account was subject to approval by the Legal Service Agency.
He is also charged with not disclosing a file to the Auckland District Law Society and the Law Society complaints committee.
The defence lawyer went to the Supreme Court in an attempt to keep his name secret.
Mr Cooke told the tribunal Mr Hart is facing "serious and horrendous" commercial problems, outside of these matters.
"I have seen the man deteriorate, physically and, I believe, mentally."
NBR ONLINE revealed in May Mr Hart owes ANZ National Bank more than $30 million.
The bank is now attempting to sell his Waimauku properties, though it has been frustrated by what it calls Mr Hart's delaying tactics.
The tribunal hearing resumes this afternoon.
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Comments and questions24
Hartie's doing what he does best: a duckin' and a divin' and a weavin' and a shirkin'.
Playing cat-and-mouse and ducks-and-drakes, comes "oh so naturally" with this guy. Just ask his bankers.
Yes the poor bankers, we all feel so sorry for them.
It's almost beyond comprehension what this type of pressure, and the tabloid spotlight on him, must do to a man.
It's inhuman, really, what the media, and those who'll take the empty headed pot-shots at him in this thread, do to people. Talk about the brute society. Sick.
Yes, we must have transparency, but is there actually a point when someone says ' we've reported on it, now we're killing him, these issues are his affair, lets back off so he can try and sort his business out'?
No?
Thought not.
Mr. Hart's repeated failure to appear before the Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal, is germane to his conduct -- and suitability -- as a practicing lawyer. Therefore, the public has a right to be informed; it is not gleeful tabloid reporting.
His unrelenting obduracy -- together with his obfuscation and procrastination -- has descended into the realm of farce. And the Law Society is well within its rights to call "Time" notwithstanding his "putative" illness. They have become weary of all this game-playing.
Any bank that lets a GREASY SUIT get 30million into debt with them is crazy.
Yes no one has answered the question how Hart got a $30 million loan in the first place.
And how is that your's or my business, Odgers?
Who bails out the banks that fail because of loose lending practices?
YOU! 'Cuase I'm sick of doing it.
Maybe she knows something that's not kosher, we don't? Otherwise, I agree with you
And how is that your's or my business, Odgers?
"your's"??? What primary school did you attend, Serpie?
'Yours' is the second person possessive pronoun; and never has an apostrophe. You are confused.
For the edification of the "Prickly One", Our Learned Friend was able to obtain the level of loans by way of his billings. Which, it transpires, he is now being charged for ( 'scuse the pun) overcharging.
he bought the farm land out past kumeu under different guises /names and trusts........having other "lawyers" he knows do some dodge paper work.........nothing dodgy about that at all....slimy git deserves to get hammered!
Of all the grammatical issues with that comment, you pick on the apostrophe? ;-)
@ rkwrb
OK, it shoulda been written:
And how is that your -- or my -- business, Odgers?
Cyree is pretty clueless when it comes to grammar and punctuation.
Hart should get Deloittes to give expert evidence on gross billing. He'll be sweet.
Like, Rod?
I was at the North Shore District Court last Thursday to attend a hearing. Guess who I saw looking fit as a fiddle. Yep, Barry himself.
Barry is in a bit of a pickle.
Leave the man alone. What he owes to the bank is his business and to say that you and me are responsible for bailing the bank out is streaching the truth a bit too far considering we don't even own the banks in New Zealand, let the Aussies worry about it.
In recognition of Mr. Barry Hart's selfless services to the Samoan family, he acted for, members of the Samoan Pentecostal Church community will be holding a sausage sizzle this Saturday to raise funds to help ameliorate Mr.Hart's deteriorating financial situation.
Please, come along and and support this worthwhile cause. With your help, we can reach our target of $35.
Time and place to be advised.
Fa'afetai and God Bless.
$35 per sauage I presume?
Can I get legal aid for that?
What I see from this is that Barry Hart is both a bully and a coward. A big coward at that, not man enough to face up.
There are good lawyers there.
Mr Hart is disgrace to the law profession.
Mr Hart is shameless man. Mr Hart is disgrace to the human beeings.
Hart in second overcharging row - on Saturday, 4 August 2012 - please read it.
Mr Hart is a criminal. Mr Hart needs to be put in jail.
Barry once ripped me off to the tune of about $400 for document servicing a very hard to find individual, their residence and their accountancy firm. Was so very happy with my hard work but simply refused to pay the bill! I always found Bazza to be a lovely wee chap with only his own self interests at hart, pun intended. Barry has probably wondering when perhaps a nighthood may be bestowed upon him when suddenly he gets hit with a dose of karma. Even amonst the narsasistic profession of lawyership, Barry stands out at the worst. And If you read this Barry - realise that youre a 71 year old man who owes tens of millions, no real friends, no toy cars, land, are about to struck off, and hopefully dear Barry - go to prison where theives belong. Perhaps if Hardars not busy he would represent you in proceedings?