Ash cloud latest: Air NZ flying, others grounded
UPDATE Friday 5pm
Jetstar has announced all New Zealand flights (domestic, transtasman and international) for tomorrow (Saturday) have been cancelled.
Air New Zealand services continue as scheduled.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said the ash cloud has dropped to 18,000ft and is likely to continue to disrupt flights in New Zealand over the weekend.
CAA meterological manager Peter Lechner said normal flying heights range between 20,000-30,000ft.
UPDATE FRIDAY 3pm: Weather conditions have caused the troublesome Chilean ash cloud to drop to 18,000ft.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said this is likely to continue disruptions in New Zealand throughout the weekend.
Peter Lechner, CAA spokespeson, said ability to fly depends on the height of the ash cloud. He said airlines determine their safe flying levels but must meet CAA guidelines to adjust flight paths.
Previous reports located the cloud hovering at around 20,000-24,000ft.
Jetstar, who has cancelled all flights for the rest of today, said it will not make an announcement on New Zealand flights until tomorrow.
The airline's website said it will proactively contact those travellers with cancelled flights.
Air New Zealand continues to operate its standard schedule.
UPDATE Friday 7am: Air New Zealand domestic and transtasman flights are running to schedule.
JetStar has cancelled domestic flights this morning.
Qantas, Virgin, Blue and JetStar have cancelled transtasman flights.
UPDATE Thursday 5pm: Jetstar and Qantas have yet to announce when they will resume New Zealand domestic and transtasman flights.
The airlines will resume flights in and out of Tasmania this afternoon at 5pm local time but they have made no further update on when New Zealand flights would resume.
Jetstar said this morning domestic and transtasman flights were cancelled today, while Qantas transtasman flights were cancelled until midday tomorrow.
Air New Zealand is continuing to fly despite the volcanic ash cloud.
UPDATE: Thursday 9:35am:
Qantas and Jetstar have cancelled transtasman and domestic flights today, according to the website of each airline.
UPDATE: Thursday 8:45am:
Airline passengers face another day of chaos as Qantas and Jetstar flights remain grounded this morning.
Both airlines have cancelled all transtasman and domestic flights scheduled before 10am.
Updates are due from both airlines this morning as to plans to resume transtasman flights at midday.
All Air New Zealand domestic and international flights are running to schedule, as the airline has chosen the more expensive option of flying below the ash cloud – hovering at 20,000 feet above Tasmania and New Zealand.
Disruption to domestic and transtasman flights could last for a few days at least, as Mt Puyehue Cordon Caulle continues to erupt.
UPDATE: Thursday 6am: Qantas has cancelled all transtasman flights scheduled before 10am.
JetStar has cancelled all transtasman and NZ domestic service scheduled before 10am.
All Air New Zealand domestic and international flights are listed as running to schedule.
UPDATE: Wednesday 4:30pm: While domestic flights are set to resume in Australia, the troublesome ash cloud causing disruptions around the globe is moving more slowly than expected over New Zealand.
Peter Lechner from the Civil Aviation Authority said the cloud will cover the country this evening and will hover at around 20,000 feet.
Qantas and its subsidiary Jetstar cancelled all New Zealand flights for the rest of the day and said it will update travellers this evening.
Air New Zealand says it constantly reviewing its services but has not made any changes to its schedule.
Lechner said the ash could take two to three days to pass and may do a third lap of the world.
Qantas has reportedly lost $21 million since Monday due to disruptions.
UPDATE WEDNESDAY 11:50am: Jetstar have just tweeted all New Zealand flights (international and domestic) have been cancelled for today.
UPDATE WEDNESDAY 7am: Flights over New Zealand are again being disrupted by volcanic ash from Chile's Cordon Caulle, with Jetstar and Qantas cancelling flights in and out of the country today.
Qantas last night announced all flights in and out of New Zealand from 7am today would be cancelled until further notice, with passengers advised to check the airline's website for further updates.
Jetstar said it had cancelled all flights to and from New Zealand until 12pm today. It would be issuing an update on afternoon flights, a statement said.
Qantas and Jetstar also cancelled flights from some Australian cities after earlier cancelling flights in and out of Adelaide, Newcastle and Sydney yesterday.
Ash clould will hit mainland NZ around midday
New Zealand Civil Aviation's manager of meteorology Peter Lechner told NZPA last night the ash cloud was moving across from South Australia, and was expected to head over New South Wales then across to New Zealand.
"It will be across Sydney later this evening (June 21) then will head out into the Tasman overnight. We expect it over the North Island from Whangarei to Levin by late tomorrow morning," he said.
"It's going to be at a height over 24,000ft, which allows plenty of scope for airline operations underneath."
Mr Lechner said it was up to individual airlines whether or not they continued flights as normal.
"As far as we can see, it's looking OK...we'll just have to see what happens overnight (last night)."
Air New Zealand said it was currently operating as normal at all domestic and international ports and would continue to monitor the situation.
Jetstar and Qantas last week cancelled services in Australia and New Zealand while the ash cloud circled the Southern hemisphere as Air New Zealand continued near normal operations by flying at a lower altitude.
TUESDAY 3pm: The return of the Chilean ash cloud - now doing its second circuit around the globe - has caused further travel disruption, leading Qantas and Jetstar to cancel several transtasman flights.
Jetstar cancelled four transtasman flights to and from Sydney, while Qantas cancelled all Sydney flights to and from New Zealand after 5pm today.
A number of other airlines including Pacific Blue, Aerolineas Argentinas, and LAN Chile cancelled Australian services.
Ash from the Puyehue-Cordon Caulle volcano, which began erupting on June 4, was moving over Australia today and was expected to reach New Zealand some time tomorrow.
Air New Zealand said today it was operating its standard schedule to all domestic and international ports.
It said it would provide an update should the situation change.
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Comments and questions37
Air NZ must cashing in this monopoly market....
I actually heard their charges were still reasonable last week for a last minute booking between AKL and WLG
Why do you think other airlines are not flying?. Becuase it is simply not safe to fly under ash. Gravity tends to take over. To put it blunt. If you dont have to fly, then dont at the moment. I wouldnt advise flying at a reduced altitude and having to ride through clear air turbulence. It can be terrifying
At that cost?. Damage to just one engine amounts to millions. More than they are making from other airlines customers. Is it really worth it?. And why are those other airlines not flying. Maybe, just maybe, they deem it not to be safe............
Not to Regional Centres. Its cheaper to fly the Tasman than fly to an NZ Regional airport where there is no compeition
Lower altitude is no concern at all, it's only less efficient for the operator due to increased fuel consumption. Clear air turbulence is more likely at much higher altitudes than what the trans tasman flights operate so not the case - CATs normally forecasted too and some planes have the gear to avoid it too. The winds at lower altitudes typically aren't quite as favourable eastbound either so more costly (and the flight slower) too.
I would suggest Qantas company cancel rather than fly as a blanket safety policy. Not to say you couldn't get away with it but best to err on the side of caution. A caution that might only pay out 5% of the time but worth it 100% of the time. I'd hazard a guess to say insurance won't pay out on damage (even if limited to engines or paint etc) if there was a volcanic advisory out too.
Ultimately the commercial consideration of profit vs potential loss needs to be considered and for the lower cost operators this decision is made earlier than the likes of Air NZ.
It might be because Qantus/Jetstar flights are markedly less profitable than Air NZ so they really don't care if they cancel them. The service c.f. Air NZ is also rubbish.
I know for a fact that Air NZ have two aircraft sitting in a hangar in Auckland undergoeing work due to ash. Keep me on the gound till its all over. I agree, it shoudlnt be about profit, and maybe the CAA and NZ Chief Pilot needs to consider this. Aust has the sense to ground flights, but not good ole NZ
I believe Air NZ must have referred to their own positive ADVISORS....weighing out the pros and cons.
There's no fact to that. This rumour has been doing the rounds through the newsrooms for a few days with the story changing markedly with each day. Air NZ has confirmed to those media it is entirely false.
I could upload a photo of the effected aircraft...?
Pics or it didn't happen.
@ RIP...put your money where your mouth is and back up your claim - if you know for a fact - prove it! Upload a pic or provide other evidence.genral blogs are great - but when you say that you know something for a fact - that is potentaily damaging - you should ber able to back it up. Who's lying Air NZ or you?
Maybe it is time for RIP to RIP?
Great way for the Aussie carriers to destroy their NZ customer base... there is something not quite right about this situation, perhaps it is not as it seems, I mean why would you score an own goal and take such a hit on business for no real reason ... pass.
"affected", you mean
Even the actual pilot says it is alrright to fly, but who is making all these "scary" decisions to inconvenient these faithfull travellers....
If you have photos Rip I would like to see them at janderson@nbr.co.nz
Mother nature's payback
a little less of our air pollution and a little more of her's
mens swimwear
Come on RIP......you make a big call and then go to ground when you get called out......where's the photo's?
Still flying at a lower level .do not see a problem
Why have Singapore Airlines, PacficBlue, Qantas and Jetstar all canned their Tasman flight due to ash?. Air NZ seems to be the only airline not affected....?
Tui Billboard stuff I think!
Secondly: with the pending Alliance with Air NZ and Virgin, what happens to an Air NZ customer when the operating airline, in this instance, Virgin decides to
cancel their flight due to ash cloud?.
Does the unaffected Air NZ takeover...
Yeah Right
I'm proud of Air NZ!
A lot depends on the buzzards they use,some buzzards can cope at a lower level with slight fuel increase. AIR NZ has these.
Im proud of my 1983 toyota corolla too....
I think Qantas aren't flying because of all the bad publicity they have had recently and they can't risk another incident:
November 2010: Qantas flight forced to land in Singapore after engine issue.
August 2010: Qantas flight forced to land in San Francisco after explosion in engine casing.
April 2010: Tires on Qantas A380 burst during landing at Sydney Airport.
Aprile 2010: Cracked windshield grounds Qantas plane in Melbourne.
June 2009: Cockpit fire forces Jetstar landing in the Philippines.
October 2008: 40 people injured after massive loss of altitude on Qantas Singapore-Perth flight.
July 2008: 7 people injured after oxygen tank explodes on Qantas Hong Kong-Melbourne flight.
I think Qantas aren't flying because of all the bad publicity they have had recently and they can't risk another incident:
November 2010: Qantas flight forced to land in Singapore after engine issue.
August 2010: Qantas flight forced to land in San Francisco after explosion in engine casing.
April 2010: Tires on Qantas A380 burst during landing at Sydney Airport.
Aprile 2010: Cracked windshield grounds Qantas plane in Melbourne.
June 2009: Cockpit fire forces Jetstar landing in the Philippines.
October 2008: 40 people injured after massive loss of altitude on Qantas Singapore-Perth flight.
July 2008: 7 people injured after oxygen tank explodes on Qantas Hong Kong-Melbourne flight.
I left Melbourne for Auckland Wednesday morning on Emirates, Air NZ isn't the only carrier flying at the moment.
Please check your grammar: Jetstar is a (singular) company, not a person.
Jetstar, who have cancelled all flights for the rest of today, said it .......
Wow...Paul B...that is a great list....you don't work for Air NZ do you?
A brand bew A380 engine has issues, and thats the fault of Qantas?. Give me a break and give your list a reality check, you obviously are an avaition nut or wqork for NZ, and no, I dont work for Qantas. They have also never had a fatality. Others just may have.............
Put that on ya list
Jestart cans it's flights today, AIRNZ puts on at least 2 extra flights from chc to akl (which just so happens to be close to full capacity with equake travellers/ consultants pre-ash)...at what 130 seats at max fare $489...give or take 10 grand...$50,000 per plane gross. That's why they are taking the 'risk' I'd suggest....
and that's just akl/chc
Agree, and just as well there isnt just Air NZ on the maintrunk. It would be back to the old days of pay whateever they want to charge, and no jetbridges etc etc. Must support the competition, cause God knows, we cant afford to have just Air NZ flying around here
Show me the money. You will find that the value of the excess on Qantas' Loss of Business insurance is less than the increase in costs it can expect from flying at lower altitude. i.e its all about the bucks. Ask yourself: Air NZ and Qantas cannot both be right. Either Air NZ is operating recklessly or Qantas is being economical with the truth. Differences in corporate risk tolerance is bollocks.
Well Air NZ's chief pilot was grounded by CAA for an unauthorised drag race between a race car and 777, the losses Qantas faces are huge and the Air NZ aircraft have encountered ash. I guess if luck stays on their side they will reap benefits but Qantas would be flying if they thought they could so safely. Has nothing to do with cost savings because Qantas are losing millions.
I would bet you that there is a difference in the insurance cover purchased by Air NZ and that purchased by Qantas. Air NZ knows quite likely to have an eruption in NZ.... I bet Qantas does not have cover arising from damage from volcanic ash or a very limited cover.....
Cynics vindicated
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10734987
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