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Crowds swamp Kim Dotcom's capital debut

UPDATE:

Kim Dotcom’s Queen's counsel Paul Davison says handing over FBI investigation material to the internet mogul’s legal team is consistent with the Extradition Act.

The US government, represented by Crown law, is at the Court of Appeal arguing a High Court decision on August 16 forcing the disclosure of the information should be overturned.

However, Mr Davison says the High Court and earlier, the District Court, were correct in ordering disclosure.

He said any process which does not include pre-hearing disclosure would severely limit an individual’s ability to engage in court proceedings.

“Consequently, the ability of the court to evaluate the case for extradition will be hindered.

"That could result in the court becoming wholly-dependent on information placed before it by the requesting state (in this case, the US).

"That means the process would become little more than a rubber stamp.”

He said there is no way disclosure is inconsistent with promises made under the US/New Zealand treaty which specifically provides the New Zealand law with the right to govern its own determinations around extradition.

Crown prosecutor John Pike, who is acting for the US government, said the scope of the investigation is proving to be a large one, with billions of emails and documents to process.

“It’s beyond comprehension.”


12.30pm:

Internet millionaire Kim Dotcom says the US government is using "bully-boy tactics" in trying to reverse an order for disclosure.

Mr Dotcom's appearance at the Court of Appeal today drew a large crowd of awestruck media, lawyers, police and public hangers-on eager to catch a glimpse of the jovial Auckland-based German giant.

On August 16, High Court chief judge Helen Winkelmann ordered the material held by US prosecutors be disclosed to Dotcom and his lawyers.

The finding was a result of an earlier District Court decision, deciding the US government has "a corresponding duty of disclosure".

The US Government now wants those decisions overturned, a move challenged by Mr Dotcom's lawyers Paul Davison QC and Willy Akel. 

Justices Terence Arnold, Christine French and Ellen France are hearing the appeal.

Mr Dotcom and his wife Mona arrived at court this morning to a hoard of waiting media, most seeing him in the flesh for the first time.

He arrived in typical fashion, flanked by private security.

Crown lawyer John Pike, representing the US government, says a committal hearing probably had limited powers to order disclosure.

"This is not a discovery exercise, it was a decision to establish a prima facie case," he says.

He admitsthere was a limited obligation to provide disclosure in the Extradition Act, but only for efficiencies, which do not apply to this case.

Mr Pike says if the evidence is solely relied on there is no power of the extradition court to order disclosure.

He believes the District Court took the position it could order disclosure simply because the act gives courts the power to.

Mr Davison argues the District and High Courts were correct in ordering disclosure.

For much of the hearing so far, there has been plenty of interest from the sidelines, with at least a dozen media representatives from all organisations present, along with members of the police, Crown prosecutors and lawyers also in the public gallery, alongside Mr Dotcom and his wife.

It has been an eventful 24 hours for Mr Dotcom, after he dropped into parliament yesterday afternoon to sit in on question time, as an absent ACT MP John Banks faced continued questioning over the treatment of "anonymous" donations for his 2010 Auckland mayoralty campaign, one of which came from Mr Dotcom.

Before entering the House yesterday, Mr Dotcom told waiting media Mr Banks had been through a lot and it was time to move on.

Although he does not believe the Epsom politician should still be an MP.

bcunningham@nbr.co.nz

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i wonder when the tax payer will be fitting the bill for the illegal take-down. nice one john key for failing to read legal documents.

John Banks police report and now Dotcom evidence. lol

$100 million dollars in damges.

You mean more like $1 billion dollars in damage?

Just the profit of the business up to then was up towards quarter of a billion, so the value of the company is much higher.

I hope he sues like a madman, and then gives the majority to charity or Starship after deducting costs. That would score him even more brownie points. As much as I vote National, I and many others saw this whole debacle as mindless sucking up to the US, with no sense of fair play in it at all. Our government and ALL political parties need to get the message loud and clear, NZ is not America's puppet.

"Crown lawyer John Pike, representing the US government,"

What's the story here? Surely the USG would hire their own representation?

Of course they would, but can someone help me here please?
1. Is the NZ justice system softer, or just an easier "touch" than US justice?
2. If an American wannabe citizen committed a crime against the people of NZ, what happens? Has there ever been such a scenario?

the answer is look at italy for a clue . grave crimes against humanity with impunity wake up kiwi

they cant because they are wanted in europe for kidnapping illigle rendition and torture but will they be extradited to italy or other eu countrys ? of course not

The US are just using NZ taxpayers money to fund their "war on copyright" by starting with a guy who they can namecall and attempt to bully.

Kim Dotcom for Mayor !

KDC for PM!!!

It is sickening to watch OUR govt. agents argue for more draconian interpretations of the law ... as if the laws weren't bad enough ... who the hell are these people really working for? (Not me).

Eg:
" He said there is no way disclosure is inconsistent with promises made under the US/New Zealand treaty which specifically provides the New Zealand law with the right to govern its own determinations around extradition.

Crown prosecutor John Pike, who is acting for the US government, ... " argued differently

I wish you people would just grow up. Banks has done nothing illegal – AT ALL. Labour put these rules in place so they should be targeted. Labour also has more skeletons to turn over yet than this non-event banks story.
I don’t care much for the man, but fair is fair. NO rules were broken – period. As to Kim dotcon, talk about a 3 ring circus. Yes it does appear that our law was wrong and for that he should get a pardon but heck he is also expecting a MP to provide the delights of home whilst inside prison. Now no one not national/labour or the rest would have gone and done that.
This is nothing short of a media beat up and grandstanding, hasn’t the media actually got anything worthwhile to report on. I am over dotcon and banks…

Forgot to add...I have no time for corruption in Labour or any other party either.

I watched Key and his colleagues squirm in their seats in Parliament during question time yesterday, under a sustained attack by all other than Government members.

Today as I passed by the Court of appeal there was indeed anecdotal confirmation that Kim Dotcom has the upper hand in public support and that sneaky absentee from parliament when the going get's tough, John Banks is annus horriballus in it all.

Key, if he doesn't recognise it already, is going to seriously regret his cuppa with this dysfunctional dude, from the not very politically bright Epsom electorate. Banks is the metaphorical equivalent of a social disease.

Surely the so called Dotcom charges should be tried in USA.The problem does not belong to NZ. Let him go to the USA .

No, he needs to stay here. He is a NZ citizen and should not be pushed around by the US.

Dotcoms residence in NZ should be terminated.Why are we even involved in the allegations by the USA.

Because we do not hand over innocent people just because the us says so.

[Dotcoms residence in NZ should be terminated]
- Because we believe he is guilty before he has even been told what he is procecuted for?
[Why are we even involved in the allegations by the USA.]
- Because nations enter into agreements with over nations.

Why would you terminate someone's citizenship when a foreign country wants you extradited? You are on treading on very thin ice even suggesting that. Imagine if it were you that the corrupt US was trying to extradite? Let's see how willingly you would go.

you are being full by a man who is very smart!!!! a manipulator and evil!!!

When we see the damages bill from Mr Dotcom we will realise just how foolish our politicians and police have been;it's sure to be an eye-popper.
liberte

After decades of knowing our place, and several years of government by homunculus, suddenly we had a Prime Minister who could stride the international stage with insouciance. And briefly, we seemed to matter.

Did Lange need or ask for $50000 donations to get into office? What is all this crap about anyway? Neither candidate needed financial support, which should be outlawed. I too would vote for Kim Dotcom if he stood for public office

If Mr Schmidt alias Dotcom was a poor man,he would never have gotten into NZ. His track record on Police files overseas could be a debatable point.All this must have been overlooked as it is alleged he paid Ten Million dollars and was welcomed at the border. Still dont get it ,if he is up on alleged charges in the USA,instead of trying to stall, and fight the charges in NZ ,WHATS THE POINT .He should be doing that in USA .

And if Dotcom were poor he would have been whisked out of the country under the cover of darkness and never seen again. Are you happy that type of thing can happen? It can happen to anyone, and that is very unhealthy. Matter of a very serious principle here, innocent until proved guilty. He has not broken or been charged with breaking any NZ laws. Do not forget that. He is a NZer.

Do some research, if you are Chinese with a million dollars in your pocket you are also currently welcomed at the border. Dotcom wasn't a special case. Get your facts right.

I came to this country years ago believeing it was an ethical democracy that defended human rights - looks like I was wrong. I have also been a supporter of John Key but this, and the Banks affair is beginning to tarnish the image. The more we see of what Dotcom's business was really like the more obvious it is that the US and NZ governments have acted unethically and by the looks of it - illigally. Poor US government, somehow they managed to illigally sieze all of Dotcom's information but now don't have the resources to disclose their information. Still, without a shred of evidence, they did manage to convince our government to send an entire SWAT team to intimidate Dotcom and his family - who's at fault? I don't think it's Dotcom and I am furious that our tax dollars will be wasted becuase our government and police force were too weak to act fairlty and decently.