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This article, by David Winter, is syndicated from Sciblogs part of the The Royal Society's Science Media Centre. Mr Winter is studying toward a PhD in evolutionary genetics at the University of Otago.
Ken Ring, the astrological weather forecaster, claims to have predicted the February 22 Christchurch earthquake.
I think Ring, with all his calculations and post-hoc explanations, is the very embodiment of what Richard Feynmann called “cargo cult science” – someone who does some of the things scientists do, but fails in the most defining characteristic by not honestly testing his theories against data.
I’ve had a little fun at his expense before, but, really; as much as it makes me sad that we live in a world in which Ken Ring can sell his weather forecasts and appear as an “expert” on anything in the media, the worst thing his almanac does is take money from people.
In the wake the earthquake Ken Ring has done something much more serious.
While thousands of people are devastated by a natural disaster, and terrified about what might happen next, Ken Ring claims to have predicted the earthquake of the 22nd and that a much worse one is due in March.
So, let’s do what Ring fails to and test his methods against reality.
If Ring had really made an isolated and specific prediction that a destructive earthquake would strike Christchurch on February 22, he might be worth listening to.
His claim revolves around this post from his website a little more than a week before the event. Here’s the quotes he’d like you to pick out from that post:
The window of 15-25 February should be potent for all types of tidal action, not only kingtides but cyclone development and ground movement.
Over the next 10 days a 7+ earthquake somewhere is very likely
You might quibble that the Christchurch quake, at magnitude 6.3, was about 5 times less powerful than the M7 event he’d predicted
But I don’t think anyone in Christchurch wants to argue about how strong their quake was.
On the face it, it really does look like an amazing coincidence: Ring predicted a quake and it happened.
But there is more to it than that.
I’ve been through his site and Ring has also predicted earthquakes for, at least, the 24th of September, the 1st and 7th of October the first week in November, the 20th to the 27th of January, the 1st to the 5th and 19th to the 25th of March and the 17th of April.
In fact, in one post, giving him the +/- one day he needs in order to claim he predicted the February 22nd quake, he paints more than half of the time between the start of January and the end of March as earthquake risk:

You can add a fair few false negatives to those false positives. In October he claimed the aftershock sequence would die down, missing the major rumble on boxing day and several times he declared that it was unlikely Christchurch would be face another major quake (tragically wrong).
Thanks to the way our brains work, we generally struggle to evaluate theories of causation and claims of prediction fairly.
We are too impressed by occasional “hits” and tend to forget the many “misses” which outweigh them.
If we want to be rigorous, how should we react to hearing about Ring’s “hit” given the litany of “misses” I list above?
As it happens there is a theorem for that.
Bayes theorem is one of the most important little pieces of maths going around, because it tells us how to update our beliefs about a given question in light of new evidence, and that’s exactly what we should be trying to do if we want to lead a skeptical life.
It is maths, but it’s not too scary. I’m the sort of person that loses contact with scientific papers as soon as ‘Σ’s and ‘∫’s start turning up, so you know if I’m writing this , you can follow it. Before we start, we need to define a couple of terms. Let’s call P(KR) the probability Ken Ring can predict earthquakes and P(Prediction) the probability that Ken Ring would have successfully predicted this earthquake. From that we want to calculate how probable the claim “Ken Ring can predict earthquakes” is given his successful prediction, well call that P(KR|Prediction). Once we have those defined it’s just a little 3rd form algebra:
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So, how are we going to replace those terms with numbers? For now, let’s not be one of those close minded skeptical types, ignore how eccentric Ring’s methods and takes the evidence as it stands by saying P(KR) is 50%. P(Prediction|KR) is the probability that Ring would have predicted this quake if his methods work. You might be tempted to says this is 100%, but remember, he missed the Boxing Day aftershock and he’s repeatedly said Christchurch was unlikely to be hit again, so he’s not immune to false negatives either, I’ll be generous and give him 90%. The really interesting bit in Bayes Theorem is the bottom term P(Prediction). If we are being agnostic about Ken Ring’s abilities then we need to estimate this with regard to both the possibility his method has something going for it and the possibility that it doesn’t. We’ve already said that Ring has an 90% chance of predicting an earthquake if his methods work, what’s his chance of ’successfully’ predicting a quake even if his methods don’t work? This is the most important question you should ask yourself about his claims and it’s where all those false alarms come in. Given the ‘calendar’ above, Ring would have claimed to have predicted the quake if it fell on any of half of the days between January and March. His prediction for February was a little more specific than that, but when you read the post it’s still quite vague: “somewhere”, “in the ring of fire”, “withing 500km of the Alpine fault”. I’m going to say, given the huge number of predictions he’s made, there was about a 30% chance any day that had an earthquake would have been one Ring had previously predicted. To get P(Prediction) we have to balance each scenario like this:

Now, when we put the numbers in like so…
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…we end up with P(KR|Prediction) being 75%. Ring’s successful prediction still supports the case that his methods work, but it’s hardly the decisive piece of information that allows us to say once and for all that he knows what he’s doing. You almost certainly want to put different numbers than I did in that equation, and you should. The idea is not to convince you a particular value is the right one, but to show you how including those false positives in our assessment of his claim changes the way we update our ideas about it and, by extension, how much stock we should put in his future predictions. There is a Bayesian calculator here for anyone that wants to play around with other numbers, over there P(H) is what we called P(KR), P(D|H) is P(Prediction|KR) and P(D|’H) is the probability Ken Ring got it right by mistake (the one I gave 30%).
Skeptics are often accused of being closed minded for sticking to scientific orthodoxy in the light some piece of evidence or other: “If you would just let this evidence stand by itself you’d see my theory is true!”. Assessing any evidence by itself, without our background of knowledge on a topic, is not being open minded – it’s being willfully ignorant. When we want to compare one theory to another we should use all the evidence available to us, and that includes what we know about how the world works. Ring thinks earthquakes happen when the moon makes its closest approach to the earth (called perigee) and around full and new moons.
Not 100% lunacy
This next sentence really pains me, but here goes. His theory is not 100% lunacy. The phases of the moon have no effect on the earth [whoops, as pointed out in comments, they kind of do, since they correlate with moons position relative to the sun and contribute to tides, this was included in the models/charts below so doesn't change their conclusions], but the position of the moon in its orbit just might.
As every schoolchild knows, the moon exerts a tidal force on the planet and there really are “land tides”, tiny swells and lulls in the crust of the earth analogous to the ocean’s tides, that ebb and flow through the day.
It’s just possible that a fault that has been loading up with pressure for hundreds of years is more likely to give way when then moon is close and the tidal forces are stronger. But think about that for even a second and the problem becomes clear. Even if the moon is sometimes the straw that breaks the camels back at a particular fault, you couldn’t use the moon to predict an earthquake unless you already new a fault was about to go, i.e., the moon could only predict earthquakes when you could already predict an earthquake!
Ken Ring gets a bit touchy about scientists dismissing his theories out of hand, so let’s look at some data. I actually asked Ring for some help with this, but he is yet to answer my email. Luckily, since the September 4th earthquake Paul Nicholls from Canterbury University has been plotting the intensity of the aftershock sequence. He’s also plotted the two lunar cycles Ring thinks are responsible for the strength of earthquakes: the lunar distance and the moon’s phase. In many ways, this is the data-set in which we are most likely to find support for Ring’s ideas. We know for a fact that the faults around the Canterbury plains are going to be under stress while the land sorts itself out after the upheaval in September. If the moon really was pushing already loaded faults past their breaking point we’d expect to see it in this data. Usually the most important statistical test you can perform on a data-set is having a look at it. This is Paul’s plot from last night, the slimmer of the two waves on the top represents moons orbit (troughs are perigee, the point Ring thinks is most dangerous) and the larger is the moon’s phase (the troughs are new moons).
(Click image to enlarge.)
If you can see any correlation between either of the lunar cycles you’re doing a lot better than me. I decided to dig a littler further, and plot the intensity of each day’s activity against each of the lunar cycles. First the phases of the moon. Remember, Ring thinks new and full moons are the most dangerous, so we expect a curved relationship higher at either end of the x-axis. We find no such thing (in fact, if anything, it’s more dangerous between the new and the full moon):

How about the distance between the earth and the moon? This is the one that makes just a little scientific sense:

This time the relationship at least goes the right way, the quakes seem to be, on average, more powerful when the moon is close. In fact, when you put this data into a model that factors in the general tailing off in earthquake activity following the initial quake, the distance between the moon and the earth is a statistically significant variable with regard to the energy released. And there lies an incredibly important point. “Statistically significant” means unlikely to happen if the null hypothesis (in this case “the moon doesn’t effect earthquakes at all”) was true, it doesn’t mean the result is “powerful”, “meaningful”, or even “capable of explaining a great deal of the variation in the data”. As is often the case, we didn’t really believe our null hypothesis to start with, so it’s no surprise a large data-set found a significant relationship. But the actual effect of the moon is tiny, it explains about 2% of the variation in the data. The feebleness of the moon as a predictor is obvious when you look at the graph – there are plenty of days when the moon is close and there was not much energy released and, equally, there’s a whole lot of days when the moon was far away and there were still magnitude 5 quakes. The moon might well be having an effect on intensity of earthquakes from day to day, but if it can barely explain any of the variance in this data-set, one that was almost designed to test Ring’s theories in the best light, how could it predict an earthquake? It can’t.
Let’s get back to our calculation, last time we started with P(KR) at 50%. I hope you’ll agree, having seen the data, that Ken Ring’s methods are not the least bit plausible. I going to be outrageously generous and say there’s a one in one thousand chance that he can predict earthquakes, so let’s plug that into Bayes Theorem, remembering to update P(Prediction) for this new value too:

Which gives us a value of 3 in one thousand. Again, you’ll want to put different numbers into the equation, but there’s a really important point here. Whenever we hear evidence for some new claim, “a vaccine caused my child’s autism”, “light behaves as a particle and a wave”, “Ken Ring can predict earthquakes (and another one’s coming)”, we should use that evidence to update our prior knowledge of the world. Sometimes, like the outlandish claim that light can be a particle or a wave depending on how you look at, the evidence will be enough to completely change the we think, more often it will hardly make a blip. I think we can put Ken Ring firmly in the “hardly a blip” category: once you see how implausible his methods are you realise you’d need incredible evidence to believe his predictions and once you see his run of false positives you realise that his “prediction” of last week’s earthquake doesn’t meet that standard.
The people of Christchurch desperately need information.
In the next few weeks they want to know if they’ll have to face the terror of last Tuesday again and once they city has pulled itself back up they’ll want to understand the future risks for the city.
In a climate of such desperation people have a duty to provide only verifiable information and to explain that information’s limitations. That’s exactly what scientist from GNS and Canterbury University have done when they’ve spoken to the media.
Ken Ring, who lambasted GNS for scaring people with a “knee jerk” comment that a magnitude 6 aftershock could be expected after the September earth quake, has not lived up to that duty and I really hope no one takes him seriously.
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Comments and questions197
Ken predicts the increased likelyhood of an earthquake.Science is not a religeon! so stop pretending.
Sorry GNS where was your warning?
Oh you just plot dots, do tidy computer displays of earthquakes and defam Ken Ring.We should be asking you why you feel so threatened by Mr Ring.
I think you'll find it isn't a matter of being scared, it's a matter of preventing misinformation, intentional misguidance & untrue rumor. Just because you prove something/someone wrong doesn't automatically mean you are scared of it/them.
Yeah david keep quiet on your comments on the increased prediction of earthquakes . It was the media that created the fear not his predictions.You spread misinformation and you are being a bit two faced eh David.You want to drop the fear stop talking nonsense the fearful public do not respond well to nonsense or your silly charts.You could have reduced fear by taking a different tact but maybe you just wanted to slander Ken.
I meant keep quiet until you can predict an increased likelyhood.
Hey David feel the burn - Get a perm...
Never let a boy do a Mans job.
I am referring to the way your org has delt with this issue...Ineffectually.
Nice charts though boys- how much did we pay for that?
Great piece and thanks for all the effort. Sad that so many of the comments are ego and emotion not fact. Ring is a skilled self-promoter - ten years ago he was arguing that moon cycles cause aircraft crashes - readily shown to be rubbish so he has given up on that one! Now its earthquakes - must be due for floods soon (Noah Ring?)
What's wrong with making predictions. If he is talking rubbish why would anyone be offended by him?
Yeah thanks for the "effort" David.Efforts don't cut it it you actually have to understand that you are ineffective, efforts don't count.
Tell us all whn you can predict and increased probability of an earthquake.Or just "Call" us in 20 years.Don't apologise for the bad handling of this media f show.
David and other media outlets are by publicaly defaming him giving him credibility. David doesn't understand how it works (or he is really clever and is promoting Kens increased likelyhood of earthquake predictions).
Hi, I'm crazy
David, you can try and bamboozle people with your fancy graphs but all I see is jealousy. Typical modern day scientists ignorant jealousy.
David `lets face it', he`s looking pretty good at the moment, what have you predicted ` nothing'. Suggestion, focus your time and energies on how to predict earthquakes and save lives and stop poo hooing others that have a more accurate method than you. Get on the latest NASA site (Stuart Reeves), they are very close to accurately predicting earthquakes. Similar principles as Ken Ring, just a more sophisticated method.
David, there is nothing wrong with any prediction, it is really up to individuals to digest the info - one can choose to ignore it or prepare itself for any potential event. A prediction is a forecast. No one can really expect forecast to be 100% right. At least Ken has a gut to provide a forecast and potentially save lives, comparing with you guys spending time on defaming other people.
I seem to recall that a learned Gent told us on national radio in January that now the aftershocks were getting smaller and fewer in number, that the likelyhood of a Mag 6 aftershock Equake was very unlikely.. Did they get that one wrong!!! In fact they are saying that this 6.4 is an after shock??? This is a new fault line and therefore be treated as an initial shock and have had approx 1560 aftershocks since, mostly eminating from the Lyttlelton fault... I think these high paid Boffins are full of it .....ALWAYS after the event.........Go Ken Ring.....
Thanks to John Campbell, Ken Ring and his predictions have been brought into the mainstream. Any blame for creating fear/interest/curiouity, etc should be placed at the feet of the mainstream media who solicited Ring's comment.
This whole episode has certainly piqued my interest. I have read a fair number of the articles on KR's website trying to get a better grasp on his theory. David, for all your time and effort, it seems that you have only identified two of a multitude of variables listed on KR's website. Why have you discarded these other variables? Also, why have you isolated the variables in your approach. Surely you could provde a correlation between all three (or more ) variables?
I am really hanging out for somebody with the necessary statistical knowledge/ability to get stuck in to this theory to prove/disprove it. David, I thought you were going to. Sadly, you barely scratched the surface... I think KR's theory is much more complex than people are giving him credit for. However, if we can pick it apart and use it to predict large earthquakes to a reasonable accuracy then surely we should try, shouldn't we???
The public know and respect Ken Ring because he actually makes predictions - rightly or wrongly. We don't pay for his advice so he is mot actually accountable to anyone.
This is not about Ken it's about scientists feeling inadequate that they have no abilities to predict anything and recent blogging has proven that the majority of normal people ( ie not scientists ) have no respect for the science community who started this anti Ken Ring situation.
It's about time the Government made scientists more accountable for their lack of performance over many years - their rorting of Government funding and their total dishonesty with the taxpayers.
Ken Ring can sleep at night - scientists should not be able to - but nonetheless probably do as the system accomodates their incompetence and non performance.
The science community needs to look in the mirror before looking at other peoples performance
That there are so many people here bagging science in favor of snake oil is, frankly, terrifying. Is this the intellectual calibre of the NBR readership? *shudder*
With all due respect - why is this in The National Business Review?
John, it's not the intellectual calibre of the NBR readership, it is the intellectual calibre of the NBR author.
When the astronomer Edmond Halley asked Sir Isaac Newton (essentially the “patron science of physics”) how he could possibly believe in astrology, Sir Isaac answered, “Because I have studied the matter, Sir. You have not.” And therein lies the crux of the matter. When Shakespeare made the comment of the “stars influencing our lives”, he too was mis- or un-informed. Astrology is about the planets of our solar system, not the stars!
I guess the words of Albert Einstein are particularly relevent here
. If you are wondering how this applies to what has passed prior to this comment then it really does support my viewpoint on pockets of the population. Keep it real folks :-)
Suprised so many people support Kevin Ring's theory. I mean you laugh at idiots like Kevin on South Park but never expect them in real life. If only his name was Kenny then he would have an amusing death.
David is studying to try to try to prove the theory of evolutionary genetics. That says it all for me. GNS warned about severe earthquakes in 1995, and no one took notice. They made the basic prediction. Ken appears to have narrowed it down, something which needs more study, not ridicule. Arrogant "scientists" of today are not far removed from the witch doctors of a few hundred years ago. We laugh at those fools, as will our decendents will laugh at those who claim total knowledge today, and sneer at their fellow man, especially someone who is not "one of them".
Ken's prediction may not be right, but there may be an element of truth in his theory about tides raised in the Earth by the sun and moon could trigger deep tremors. See this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091223133347.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+(ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
David,
From a social perspective, science is a belief system that interprets the world according to a certain set of expectations, much like a religion. Science is also a method, supposedly unbiased, of organizing and measuring nature. Ultimately, though, this approach assumes that reality can be divided and that objective consciousness is a fact. Objective consciousness is not necessarily a fact - it's a bias, just like any religion.
Science gets complicated when you bring in the social dimension. Scientists are hominids, and, like other primates, they form pecking orders.(1) Pecking orders work by exclusion. Some scientists, like many religious leaders of our culture, think they have a monopoly on truth. Truth is, their social pyramid and its official ideology are a real obstacle in the way of human spiritual progress.
Today, scientists have been known to attack astrology vehemently. The odd thing is that modern science actually developed out of astrology and a few other related disciplines of the ancient and medieval world. As recently as 300 years ago, many astronomers knew a good deal about astrology. Four hundred years ago many astronomers practiced astrology. Five hundred years ago every astronomer was, more or less, also an astrologer. We've sure fallen a long way since then!
I`m sure Ken Ring hasn’t fully mastered earthquake predictions but his predictions deserve some merit.
Astronomy did not “develop” from astrology, it escaped from it. The same way other branches of science escaped from the stifling superstitions of “magic”. Chemistry escaped alchemy, Mathematics escaped numerology, Biology escaped christianinty. The pernicious miasma of anti-intellectualism apparent in many of the comments above is alarming. Clearly the New Zealand education system has failed these poor benighted luddites.
Have you noticed that Wellington Had a 4.5 and a 4.6 last week ......And now we have a 4.9 off Kaiakoura and two quakes 4.1 and 3.5 south of Benhiem Today...all 12 km depth.......Is this an unraveling of the fault........ Ken you have Opened our eyes..... The Boffins dont get it do they....
hey, the science based met office predicted rain today, yet it's sunny. does that means the met office is a cult science ? :0)
Scientists are about as good as economists or Bill English at predicting events
Shudder...some people even believe the lies of the redistributionistas at the IPCC (Pachauri is a railway engineer)...
I notice that all the people criticizing this article spell the same word 'likelihood' incorrectly. I wonder what that tells us? This article clearly disproves the fact that moon cycles have any relationship to the aftershocks creating havoc in Christchurch.
I wouldn't be surprised if half these replies were a certain guru himself!
Hey David, why don't you stop trying to bamboozle us with your fancy "science" and "graphs" and "charts". Who do you think you are, Mr Science? What, you follow scientific method, based on reason and evidence? What did science ever do for me?
Bah! Don't tell me how to think. I'll keep believing my wildly implausible and disproved moon theories if I want to. Actually, I'm working on a new theory, predicting earthquakes by slaughtering chickens. I smear myself with resonant mustard and pray to my sun God, Mewmbwe, before sacrificing my earthquake fowl.
I predict there will be an earthquake in New Zealand this year. Believe my theory!
Ken Ring might be full of it, Ken Ring might have a theory that works sometimes and not other times. He may genuinely believe he is right. And he might be totally wrong.
Sounds a bit like that science religion to me.
I have no doubt that Ken Ring believes his theories. I don't think he is trying to fool people. But if you predict earthquakes at the frequency that Ring does you will get some right. If you throw a dart at a dartboard enough times you will get a bullseye eventually.
And then some people will believe you can get a bullseye everytime. And when you miss the board they'll let it slide, but when you get close they'll believe you even more.
Thanks David. It's a great article that everyone should read.
So David says we should not be scaring people with predictions. Yet his ilk are promoting a great rort with the AGW and ETS, scaring us that unless we stop breathing CO2, and using carbon based energies, we will face catastrophic runaway global warming! But if you pay for carbon, and pay them to do more research, then we'll have a chance at survival......nice one, especially since they will be dead when our kids find out it was all BS. I understand Bernie Madoff cried in prison when he realised his mistake with his Ponzi scheme, when he could have made more money and never have been caught if only he had thought of the ETS scam first!
Sure are some dumbass types commenting here. Perhaps Bill Shakespeare should have the floor, since somewone has mentioned him already. Check out this exchange from Henry IV Part ! Act III Sc i:
GLENDOWER: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR: Why, so can I, or so can any man. But will they come when you do call for them?
I can tell you that Ken Ring's 'prediction' for March 20 - plus or minus 4 days, mark you - is just about a guarantee of a significant earthquake somewhere in this country. If a 4.5 quake 20km north of Wellington was thought newsworthy (5 minutes or so before a 4,6 aftershock hit Christchurch, be it noted), then it is arguably a 'significant event'. Neither, of course, was picked up by Mr Ring's infallible radar. I will be pleasantly surprised (as a Christchurch resident living a K or two east of the Chch CBD) if no quake occurs that is at least 4.5 during the period 16 March to 24th.
Here's a prediction: a fiery cloud will descend and gather up in a golden chariot the holy prophet (profit??) Ken Ring unto the bosom of his ... erm ... Maker. Of course I expect no such event. But I'll predict it all the same. It's worth at least any of Mr Ring's ... ah ... prognostications...
David, given the FACTS that astromet Ken Ring DID forecast the Sept, 2010 AND the February 2011 Christchurch earthquakes means your entire article here - including your headline - is a load of crock.
Perhaps Mr Winter, who is studying toward a PhD in evolutionary genetics should EVOLVE himself into the 21st century before passing judgment where he is not qualified to do so.
You talk the talk David, but you're not walking the walk.
Total crap. Stop trying to rewrite history with your personal dispositions and biases.
Astronomy is stellar cartography and was invented by Astrologers. Period. That is FACT.
You don't have to like it, since you not wanting to "believe" something which is true nonetheless does not make it NOT so.
Grow up and learn some HISTORY.
Seems David Winter is jealous and then writes an article "attacking" astrologer Ken Ring who forecasted the earthquakes and saved the lives of those who listened to him.
Astrologer Theodore White in America is another fine forecaster who regularly outperforms people like Winter and Co.
Here's a tip David Winter - get the "smirk" off your face and quit writing loser-ville articles like this which shows you are not only jealous, but vulgar - that's a ignorant person trying to pass himself off as "knowledgeable" about science.
I smell arrogance and jealousy pouring from David Winter and the likes because world-class astrologers like Ken Ring and Theodore White have more talent in their little fingers than ALL OF YOUR COMBINED.
Working on a Ph.d, huh? I'd say you need to start over with an education that taught you nothing but to think of yourself as smarter than you actually ARE.
Are you on P ??
If so I would suggest a reduction in dosage although it has been the best post to date..
I congratulate you good sir.. on actually making today worth living for all of us reading this...
Any way back to milking my Golden Unicorn which is providing milk for Fonterra in the ruse of global auctioning of milk.. Which as we know is really from pigmy milk producing cows..
That will one day be a genetically modified to become a teat with a mouth.. to supply more milk of course..
The future is grand...
Yeah, sure... the old "misinformation" after the fact.
Ken ring WARNED ahead of time - and the two earthquakes he forecasted HAPPENED right on time.
How is THAT "misinformation?"
Get real.
yeh go back to your evoltuionary theories and while your at it get me torch on my finger a key for all locks on the other from yor gentic engineering - hehehe -
How did they happen on time? They didn't even happen within his wide range of dates
If I hadn't believed it I wouldn't have seen it.....
Wow. I have plenty to say. I'm just not willing to put my name to anything.
Thanks
Anonymous
FFS there's so many retarded sock puppets* in here I might as well be watching the Muppet Show. C'mon Ken, time to get back to work, hey?
*See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
I am of the opinion that the resettlement of the south island fault line geology, I suggest resulted in wellington getting a couple of realignment shakes recently. there must be a high probability the canterbury september fault line movement will have further repositioning , which may be march 20th suggested by ken ring.
well said :)
i personally believe Ken Rings theories,for the non believers i think you should wait and see .Peace
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