Faced with massive wealth erosion for savers, New Zealand’s retirement commissioner has no advice other than go back to work and see a good financial adviser.
While good news for some, crashing interest rates combined with high inflation is creating negative returns for conscientious savers, hammering the sole income source (other than the government pension) of many of New Zealand’s 495,000 people aged over 65.
As NBR columnist Michael Coote points out, when interest rates are lower than inflation (an OCR of 5% versus inflation of 5.1%) it’s a calamity, and it’s economically unsustainable.
For someone who has worked hard, prudently scrimped and saved their whole life for retirement, paid off their house, and now lives solely on the interest off their savings ( and the pension), the difference in income between this year and last will be substantial – a loss of up to 50%.
A lump sum of $250,000 sounds like a reasonably large amount of money. But that figure deposited in a bank, minus taxes but plus a pension, translated into an income (pdf table) of just $12,501 last year – much less than half of the median wage – and which this year will be downgraded by $6298 to become $6203 of income to live off for the entire year, or $119 a week.
Even if you have $1 million in the bank, living off that interest and a pension would have given you $50,078 last year – but you’ll be downsized by $18,825 to an income of $31,253 this year. Not exactly lifestyles of the rich and famous at $601 a week. If you think that’s rough, try doing it next year when interest rates (and inflation) dive to 3.5% and you’ve got $424.63 a week.
Retirement commissioner Diane Crossan points out that more than half of New Zealanders over 65 live solely on the pension, and argues that anyone who’s got anything over that is definitely not living in poverty. But then, “Poverty is never defined in New Zealand. The politicians in New Zealand have worked very hard to never use the word poverty, and so they talk about hardship. I’ve avoided it too because it doesn’t work in New Zealand very well.”
“Don’t panic” is the main message Ms Crossan emphasises, along with considering postponing retirement to work a bit longer – or go back to work if you have retired. Other suggestions for dealing with massive wealth erosion by Ms Crossan include continuing to work for one day a week, teaching piano, renting a room, or sharing expenses with friends, neighbours or family.
“I mean it’s not a joyous story but people do find ways, and what we want is for people to talk about it and not just blunder into it, to understand what’s going on, and talk to their financial adviser about what’s best for them.”
Grey Power president Les Howard says, “It’s definitely going to have an effect – on those who have savings left.
“The collapse of the finance companies didn’t help a hell of a lot, because people had money invested there where they not only lost their supplementary income, they lost their capital as well. So that didn’t help a lot, but for those who’ve got any left, the low interest rates is going to make it a bit difficult isn’t it? It’s no good, but what the hell can we do about it?”
Mr Howard took his own savings out of finance companies some time ago and put them into a bank but never relied on that for income because both he and his wife have private, independent superannuation as well. They use their savings for one-off big ticket expenses like fixing the car or a holiday.
Grey Power superannuation and taxation chairman Ian Anderson, however, is in a different situation, because he is supplementing his superannuation with income from his savings, and says there are a huge number of superannuitants like him.
He draws attention to the fact that there is a myth in the general population that superannuation is at 66% of the average wage, “which of course is nonsense” as that figure is for a couple. Given the attrition rate from divorce and death, couples are not in the majority of retirees.
“There’s nothing we can do about it really. It’s just creating awareness. The problem that Grey Power has is every time we try to bring a focus on to the desperate situation that so many of our members are living in, we get tagged as ‘greedy oldies’. So a lot of baby boomers and the youngsters out there think ‘god, I could live on 60% of the average income, what are they bleating about’. So that’s why we have to be careful about how we go about creating an awareness of our problems.”
Negative interest is going to have a huge impact on our membership, and seniors in general, says Mr Anderson, because so many have lost their nest egg just in the last few months. “And they have no way of making up that capital again.
“We have fielded many, many calls, and we’ve asked people if they’d go public and be quoted as we’re constantly contacted by newspapers and so on, but we belong to a generation of very proud people, and nobody really wants to come off as a whiner.”
But the fact remains that savings, like most investment options for the past 10 years be it property, finance companies, or the sharemarket, have now turned into financial culdesacs – leaving seniors and retirees having jumped one more time from the proverbial frying pan, into the fire.
*Correction: updated table here.
Comments
Diane Crossan's comments
I see that the 60plus budget pages of the Sorted site is still assuming an inflation rate of 2% per annum. Perhaps Diane should concentrate on making sure Sorted pages reflect current conditions. Her comments as reported above "teaching piano, renting a room" do not reflect well on the office of the Commissioner for Retirement. Perhaps it's time for a change of personel in the office - one who can at least offer less denogratory advice to seniors.
Perhaps its time to get rid
Perhaps its time to get rid of the commissioners office if that is the best advice they can offer when the going gets tough. Its easy for the last 9 years with everything going well. Make some savings from closing that office and give us some tax relief so we can invest it better than the super funds have.
Stop bleating
The selfish generation that made students borrow thousands of dollars for living expenses should perhaps stop their bleating. If they didn't understand the risks of where they invested their savings perhaps it serves them right.
'He Said-She Said'
anyone who believes a government is responsible for 'looking after you' in your old age is not a mature citizen but in fact a child. I have believed this since I was 15 or 16, despite the influence of my Labour supporting parents. This 'He Said-she said' stuff is nonsense, no one is responsible for your financial well being except you.
Bleak outlook
What a frightening outlook. Not that many Kiwi's would have a Million saved by retirement I am willing to bet. Yet even that level plus the meagre pension would give $31,000 income for the year next year.
Governments for years have let our elderly slip futher and further down the chain. They are not a large lsice of voters, not often vocal. So why bother? Despite the fact that is was thier sweat, ingenuity and commitment that built the Nation we mostly enjoy today.
Paid thier taxes in the belief that the State would take care of them in thier old age. But instead, the State strips them of their assets if they end up in full time care. Gives them less pension relative to costs each year.
We should be ashamed of how we treat these special people in our community!
Spend it
My advice to babyboomers is spend your savings on the things you want in life and then demand the Gumint assist you. Heh if all the babyboomer voters did this what are the Gumint going to do look how they bail out big business.
Time for utu
Negative Real Interest Rates
CPI for year ending 30 September 5.1%
Average cash rate for year ending September 8.17%.
The analyst contained in the article is factually incorrect and misleading. NBR can retract my posts... perhaps they should correct the article.
Check the calculations
How come the pension has disappeared from Net Income, especially in the text where you say:
minus taxes but plus a pension,
Actually the Net Income figures in your table are MINUS the NZ Super.
Agree to Luke
I would like to agree to comments made by Luke above which says that one is responsible financially for his/her own issues at the time of retirement. If savings is not a habit, and noone saves money, where will the govt have the money to support all ppl.. and then other things can happen.. increase in crime etc...
Having cash is great
There is no better investment currently. Shares, property and everything else is dropping in value. Cash is only dropping by interest less tax less inflation. Those who did take financial responsibility for themselves see this as a great opportunity. Those who are still dependant on others (a pension) and possibly voted for nanny state are getting the rewards they reaped.
Advice?
While some of us (still working) are in a position to correct our own fiancial situations by saving as much as we can, others who have already retired and took so called independent advice from Financial advisers and lost money through finance co crashes are not so lucky. How can the commissioner expect 70-80 year olds who have been retired for some time to get back into the workforce in this climate? As commented above the reliance on the nanny state has helped bring this on. I feel sorry for John JKey and his new governement as they will bear the brunt of all the complaints.
This article needs a rewrite
This article is full of errors especially when tax is only taken off the interest earned when it should have been off both interest and pension. The net income figures are completely misleading. Suggest you go back and rewrite the article or rerad Saturdays Herald for a better version.
Get it right
I can't believe that NBR would print such a misleading article. If you look at the figures provided they are misleading. Does the writer not know that the pension is taxed! So why deduct it solely off the interest earned. The figures on the spreadsheet provided are also misleading and if you had 20 million in the bank you wouldn't even be reading this column. Suggest the writer goes back to nursery rhymes.
How can you get it this wrong?
With even a cursory glance at the figures the writer should have figured out that he got it wrong. Doesn't anyone check these things? Aside from the other mistakes mentioned the inflation impact has been applied twice in the second table and three times in the third table (and the way it's been applied would still be wrong even if it was applied only once). I hope the NBR will be printing a retraction for this article.
Wrong . . . ?
Hello, some of the comments are fair. Appalled, the third table shows the cumulative effect of infaltion over three years. The first year at 3.7%, the second year at 5.1% and the third year at 3.5%. Des, if you had $20m you also need to realise that Fixed Interest in this environment will be fatal to long term wealth. Perhaps someone with $20m will have $20m because they read this column . . .
He Said She Said
this person is absolutely right - correct - governments have no money to look after anyone - they have our money to administer wisely for us called the TAX PURSE the taxpayers money and this we are told is divided up into sections for health, education, law and order, pensions, social welfare benefits etc. so when a person pays tax they expect the government administers their money wisely so they can receive their retirement pension......also when a person takes a responsible position and saves some extra cash from their wages/salary after paying taxes or before whichever - they should be congratulated and not have that personal savings taken from them by misrepresenting the laws...
as the NZ Govt took away the option for a personal retirement savings account in the Muldoon era and left us with only a tax funded option what can one expect..... now they have given us Kiwisaver as an option and what is happening there - watch out for shonky financial dealers .........!!!!!! or your kiwisaver could be gone too....
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