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Nick Smith: Ken Ring offensive; should be held to account

ACC Minister Nick Smith has said that earthquake soothsayer Ken Ring was “reckless and “irresponsible” and that he ought to be held to account for his predictions of a further earthquake in Christchurch.

Lunch date with destiny
The minister and the Skeptics Society are planning to have lunch in the Sign of the Kiwi, one of the tallest and oldest buildings in Christchurch, at noon this Sunday, the day Ken Ring predicted another earthquake would hit the city.

The minister, who has a background in earthquake engineering and a PhD in geotechnical engineering, told NBR he had been taken aback by the number of people taking Mr Ring seriously.

Scaring the kids
He said he was worried that people had become so fraught that any level of credence given to Mr Ring’s predictions would cause anxiety. He was particularly worried about small children and said he had young nephews and nieces who had asked their parents to leave Christchurch because of Mr Ring’s prediction of an earthquake on March 20.

“I find it offensive when people make the claim that they can predict the timing of earthquakes particularly given the level of anxiety in Canterbury.”

Claims cause harm
He said he wished to make a stand and say Mr Ring’s predictions are “mumbo-jumbo nonsense.” Mr Smith said Mr Ring did not seem to comprehend the level of anxiety people felt in Christchurch and should not make predictions when he was not qualified to do so and when such claims cause harm.

“Frankly what Mr Ring is doing is no better than people crying fire without cause in a packed stadium or picture theatre.”

He said it was very important in moving forward with reconstruction and dealing with earthquake risks that a science-based approach was taken, including acknowledgement of what was not known.

“There currently are no credible ways of predicting when earthquakes will strike.”

Shouldn't leave Christchurch
He said perhaps science would evolve to when it could accurately predict a quake, but there was “absolutely no evidence” to show there is any connection between the phases of the moon and the timing of earthquakes. People should certainly not leave Christchurch because of Mr Ring’s predictions, the Minister said.

“I would invite those committed to science, including understanding what the limits of science are, should join us at the Sign of the Kiwi and, at this very difficult time for New Zealand, put their hand up for backing rational science.”

The minister said he had no worries at all about lunch and was looking forward to meeting with geologists and earthquake engineers at the Sign of the Kiwi this Sunday.

Moon man responds
Mr Ring said in response to Mr Smith’s comments that he was not fearmongering.

“So far, the media have one and all called me what Dr Smith is calling [me], in other words, the person who is scaring Christchurch, and making people flee their homes, which is absolutely not true.”

He said universities globally were working on the moon link to earthquakes and that he would email NBR website links to university studies on the subject.

“If I pointed out that there is lots of science and that it’s not just me saying but that many Universities around the world are working on the moon link to earthquakes, what would be considered science, if not that? What is not science?”

NBR received an email from Mr Ring this morning with links to a National Geographic article about a study co-authored by a graduate student from the University of California, showing a correlation between tides and earthquakes, and a link to a report on the study. 

Also included in the email were links to an article in the Journal of Geophysical Research titled 'Evidence for tidal triggering of earthquakes as revealed from statistical analysis of global data', a ThinkQuest site entitled 'Earthquake Predictors', a link to a Real News Reporter article mentioning Mr Ring, Russian scientists' support of him and predictions of earthquakes based on electromagnetic signals, and a link to a blog by biologist Dr Jennifer Marohasy focussing on Mr Ring's theories and the fact the moon was above Tokyo at the time of the quake.

Further links from Mr Ring can be found here, (article about a study from Paris Diderot University that claims a link between Earth tide and quakes) and here, (an article about Russian scientists saying neutron flashes and possibly the lunar cycle could forecast earthquakes).

Mr Ring finished his email with a question for Dr Smith:  "What part of these articles is not science?"

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Comments and questions
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Regardless of what I may think about Ken Ring and his theories...its a bit rich ETS scammer Nick Smith pontificating on when frankly I consider he to be a total conniving waste of space rorting my wallet.
If all of us in NZ jump up and down at the same time when Smith walks into that old ChCh building he plans to lunch with other sceptics, I wonder if if we might all trigger some just retribution (on him ...shame about the rest)...might just get into Ripleys believe it or not....Smith you are a contemptible man!

Pete I think you mean Dick Smith.

You're awesome. Nick smith wouldn't have the foggiest. ETS is a joke.

Ken ring doesn't have a theory at all. He just uses moon astrology hokum to cover up for the fact that he is betting on an earthquake, knowing that there is a high probability.
You are a gullible fool for thinking that Ring's hokum equates to a theory, there is nothing there other than skillful playing with probabilities.

It seems expectable that Nick Smith and the Sceptics Society can make predictions... They claimed there would be no earth Quake.

The media claimed it was an after shake... regardless of what you call it, it was an earth quake and it did damage, ask anyone in ChCh... they were scared, it was a large shake.

Ken Ring aside, I have the greatest difficulty taking Nick Smith seriously about anything!

Reckless? Irresponsible? Crying fire without cause?
Are there no mirrors in the Beehive? Perhaps not but there there's clearly one very big, black pot.

Agree with Pete and anonymous. Smith's ego must be a bit bruised because he hasn't been in the media lately , missing out on the photo shots from Christchurch etc.

Apparently Mr Ring lives in Auckland. He should come to Christchurch by March 20th to provide comfort and support as he lives throught 'his' quake with us. After wards he should stay on and assist with recovery and rebuilding, and experience the aftershocks.

Why on earth would you go to a place that you thought unsafe, and if it does happen, how has it become "his"??? Wow who knew he had such power!

Em why should he come to Christchurch? I don't need his support, he owes me nothing and is not causing Earthquakes! He puts out what he thinks (now it doesn't matter if you believe him or not) on his own wee website which I for one had never heard of until the MEDIA (such as this) decided it was news worthy and ran with it. Then as they do in NZ turned on the very story they gave air to and tried to rubbish him. You can't start a fire and then blame the box of matches when you can't put it out!

I hope he's wrong but if he is I won't be jumping on the ken Bashingwagon. After all many of us go to Church worships gods etc etc but i've yet to see proof of that!

What a stupid thing to say. Ken Ring is not wishing another earthquake and subsequent suffering on anyone. Hes warning people to get out. If you and others choose not to believe it thats your choice. Why would anyone who does believe it want to be there. Dah!

Agree, no one every has a go at the weather man when a storm is on the front

ridiculous

ken ring is not the one "shaking Christchurch" what a dip stick you are. Get an education

Perhaps giving people some warning of what might be ahead could be considered as supporting humanity. If nothing occurs then we can be grateful for small mercies. Surely it is helpful for people to be alerted to the possibility of something as big and damaging as an earthquake. Scientists do a lot of good work but they still can't warn us of situations like this. Distance doesn't mean we don't care. A lot of us have given our own money to help with the disaster and time on the phone for those of our friends and families suffering. We do care.

I was in Christchurch at the time of the 6.2 quake, it was scary and i still flinch when i hear a loud noise. this in mind i believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press therefore i don't believe people should be "held accountable" for speaking to the press about anything. for those in Christchurch, we live in an earthquake and volcanically prone country yes it sucks when it destroys buildings and kills people but don't be angry at people for talking about them, be angry with yourselves and the council and government we employ for not building stronger buildings and learn not to make the same mistakes! the cathedral spire has fallen off four times, not because someone talked about earthquakes but because no one listened and took action to prevent it.

I was in Christchurch at the time of the 6.2 quake, it was scary and i still flinch when i hear a loud noise. this in mind i believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press therefore i don't believe people should be "held accountable" for speaking to the press about anything. for those in Christchurch, we live in an earthquake and volcanically prone country yes it sucks when it destroys buildings and kills people but don't be angry at people for talking about them, be angry with yourselves and the council and government we employ for not building stronger buildings and learn not to make the same mistakes! the cathedral spire has fallen off four times, not because someone talked about earthquakes but because no one listened and took action to prevent it.

This is not freedom of speech, this is scam and is a real crime. What do you expect people to do for the Cathedral? Did Ken Ring predict the magnitude? Do you even know how to do seismic design? No one in the world designs for 1.5g lateral force and 2.5g vertical force. If you want to do something about it, you can start from using your brain before you open your mouth.

In defecne of Nick - surely the phase of the moon is the same in the northern and southern hemispheres and, if so, how does Ken Ring expalin last week's Japan quake? Or is it only Christchurhc that is affected by his theory?

Actually the moon was above japan at that time and i have a friend that has an email from mr ring saying there might be quite a shake on that day

Is that your friend who has the email or your friend's cousin's uncles' dogs brother. Give me a break. As per usual, its always after the event

Ken ring is a legend

Put your money where your mouth is Mr Ring, and join us in Christchurch by March 20th to experience 'your' earthquake firsthand. You can stay on afterwards to provide support and comfort, and to assist with the rebuilding, and feel the aftershocks.

Silly comment Neil ... an earthquake doesn't belong to anyone. A prediction is just that - guess a person can heed a warning, or not...

In defecne of Nick - surely the phase of the moon is the same in the northern and southern hemispheres and, if so, how does Ken Ring expalin last week's Japan quake? Or is it only Christchurhc that is affected by his theory?

The moon will indeed be affecting the whole world - but that's the beauty. The "supermoon" predictors (Ken is not alone in this at all) don't offer any specifics. Just that there may be an "event" (they don't say what) around the 19th/20th "give or take three days"

These same fearmongers like to point out that the last "supermoon" event was Jan 10 2005 "around the time of the devastating Indonesian earthquake and tsunami" but don't mention the actual date of that event was TWO WEEKS earlier.

No accurate or useful predictions are ever made by these people, they simply confirm their "predictions" after the fact by saying "there, that's the one I meant" which is meaningless when the earth sees more than 160 >M6 quakes a year, and more than one >M7 a month.

Nick Smith. Could you be any more childish?? Will you blame Ken when your publicity stunt goes wrong & you & the sceptics come crashing down to earth. Furthermore, I hope you're paying for this with your own dosh & not my motorcycle rego? Have you nothing more productive to do with your time? Grow up!!

Why doesn't Nick Smith just call for Mr Ring to be burnt at the stake?

Nick Smith should have more productive things to do with his time than get involved in this trivia. Perhaps John Key will be reflecting on this.

i hope Nick Smith does not suffer the same issues that Jim Anderton suffered on trying to capture the mayoralty

How is Ken Ring's prediction any worse than Nick Smith's pontificating on the disasters awaiting us if we didn't implement his ETS and bring Climate Change/Disruption/Global Warming under control. In the same way that there is some scientific backing that elevated levels of CO2 affer temperatures, so there is some scientific backing for the moon's phases affecting tectonic activity. BUT neither level of scientific enquiry/understanding warrant the disaster scenarios being predicted by Ring or Smith.

There is no questioning the human effect on the world's environment. It is happening. Similarly, there is a build up of evidence based on historical data suggesting a link between the moon & earthquakes/weather etc. Whilst not fully substantiated, I accept the possibility. What I cannot accept, however, is Mr Ring purporting to 'predict' certain events based on this tide science. Fact is, he offers broad predictions in advance, and fudges the actual result in hindsight so that people (incl his deluded self) believe that he can predict with accuracy. There is ample evidence dis-proving his ability to predict with any better effect than our good man, Jim Hickey.

You're a f***ing moron if you think climate science is in any way as unsupported as this earthquake prediction lunacy.

Yes, the pun is intended.

Climate 'science' has a little more credence than earthquake prediction lunacy, but not much. Try examining some of the counter arguments to see how weak it really is. All they have really is that the temperature has been rising and that man has contributed in an infinitely minute way.

I haven't checked sources, but as I understand it there is a quantity of science about the effect of the moon on earthquakes.

Thing is, it shows that the effect is far too small to be any use predicting anything.

Nick Smith is an embarrassment to the Government and NZ. The country has more important things than him wasting Ministerial time on a lunch with losers on the 20th.

John Key should be worried that the old brat pack of Nick Smith, Tony Ryall and Bill English are in such powerful positions. They were the reason that National lost the Government benches to labour in 1990 and they may well be the reason for National losing the next election or the one after. The Key Government is not in good shape with these guys and also having lost it's shining light Simon Power - the only cabinet minister with any credibility and ethics apart from John Key.

The Greens love Nick Smith, because he is promoting their policies and they can't get blamed for the economic damage later on.......imagine, we borrow to pay money to forresters, and when Kyoto is NOT renewed, and the ETS scam falls down, forresters dont have to pay back the carbon BS credits, they keep them, and then cut down their timber and sell it as usual. What a rort!

The only one scaring the kids is Nick Smith by highlighting the event of March 20th
Ken Ring has not publicised his prediction - he put them on his website and the media and dorks like Nick Smith have made them into news.

how true...who's scaring who?... the information about March 20, 2011 was released September 2010...it's really only recent reactions by CAMPBELL and SMITH that has turned the information into anything other than what it was intended. Information is power...and as for SMITH and the skeptics lunch...how silly are they being? Regardless of RING's 20/03/11 prediction, should we to follow the lead of these persons who are purposefully placing themselves in potential harm's way? Should we too be looking for the nearest high rise, yellow or red stickered building to prove our point? I think not.

The impact of man-made emissions on climate change and related events is a scientific theory that has widespread acceptance and has been pair-reviewed repeatedly.

The same can not be said for any astrologically-based earthquake causation theories. At best some studies have concluded there could be a very small increased risk at times due to "earth tides" but we're talking 1-2% increase in an already very low (but entirely unpredictable) probability of earthquakes in a given area.

Please read the research properly. Overall there is a low correlation, but when a certain type of fault is isolated, the results are beyond the level of chance. It is like saying that overall, people have a low chance of having a heart attack, but if your are overweight, the chances areincreased greatly. No has said that ALL earthquakes are triggered by the lunar effect. But the mindless secptics only hear what they want to hear.
Read what is written. Not what you think it says. And think twice before your open your mouth to offer an opinion.

Peer reviewed by people protecting themselves, protecting people who had ensured that their emails were deleted when they admitted amongst themselves that they couldn't show any warming trend.

Astrology is more appropriate for global warming protagonists. Astronomy is the friend of real science, and anyone who seeks for the truth, whilst not filling their wallets with taxpayers money.

the 'scientists' once also emphatically believed the earth was flat...

Are you high on crack? No scientist has ever said anything of the sort. Science is the stuff of doubt, not wanton insinuation.

"Rational Science"???

".... but there was “absolutely no evidence” to show there is any connection between the phases of the moon and the timing of earthquakes."

Dr Smith may have a point but based on your words could he also please detail the irrefutable "rational" scientific evidence that led to the introduction of his ETS scam. This does not include the multi-billion dollar UN or IPCC reports that are flawed.

"Global Warming" became "Global Climate Change" and is now referred to as "Global Climate Disruption"

Well Dr Smith could you please show us your irrefutable "rational" scientific evidence if that is indeed what you are interested in.

Deluded Nickpocrisy is able to spout out his ‘Mumbo-jumbo’ nonsense. Give us a break Smith.

And he has the gall when it suits his agenda to associate with a sceptic’s organisation. But Nickpocrisy refuses to acknowledge the many sceptics who have the courage to denounce his ETS scam.

Listen to what could be the best 5 minutes of radio in the history of broadcasting.
http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=8095

“It’s an Australian interview with Jill Duggan, a British woman who you almost certainly won’t have heard of, but who yet holds the economic future of an entire continent in her grasp. As an expert on carbon markets for the European Commission’s Directorate-General for Climate Action, Duggan will help mastermind the EU’s bold – and massively expensive – plans to reduce Europe’s carbon emissions by 20 per cent by 2020. In the process she will of course destroy every last vestige of 550 million people’s economic future: but until now – as is evident from her stumbling and surprise – no one has really called her on it.” http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100079237/aussie-sceptics-destroy-eu-carbon-commissioner/

Good on Mr Smith for spelling out how reckless and cruel the Moon mans words are. There is always some crazy that suggests there is a conspiracy going on that people in the know are trying to prepare us for something. Its total bu1lS*1t

For goodness sake anon at 10.55am wake up to the conspiracys of nick smith, al gore etc.

@ anonymous-10.47am: . Your misuse of the word "pair" (reviewed) suggests you have a mined like a steal trap. Pfffttt. Back to 4th form Skyence for you and your like

I know it is bad form to use the Christchurch disasters to base comments on but John Numbers Key will, with Smith, continue to get away with taking my money to give to a few tree-growers - because we are rightlyfocussed on wanting to help Canterbury. Key now has as much teflon as Clark.

The ETS scam is the biggest rort on humanity yet Nick Smith thinks it is all ok. Nick has the nerve to criticize someone else. At least Ken uses scientific theories unlike Nick.

Nick Smith, what planet are you on. "hold Mr Ken Ring to account". Get on with your portfolios and and keep your head down. You are the first Nation Minister to make a bigger mess of a situation than Phil Goof.

There are many examples throughout history where theories initially ridiculed gradually become accepted as mainstream. Galileo was excommunicated and feared for his life when proposing the earth went round the sun. Keep an open mind.

But don't keep it so open that your brain falls out.

There's a difference between an open mind and an empty one.

Uh, slight difference. Galileo had concrete scientific proof. Ring doesn't. Being ridiculed doesn't mean you're automatically correct. Galileo would turn in his grave if he saw people comparing him to unscientific knobs like Ring.

Keep an open mind yes, but don't keep it so open that your brains fall out.

its all fool 'proof' till the next 'scientific discovery comes along. We have always been afraid of the unknown,

I agree.Great point..Thanks

I agree.Great point..Thanks

Yes, and often the 'mainstream' alarmists are in fact wrong e.g. Y2K bug and 2010 Bird Flu pandemic - both of which never happened.

Y2K bug was only a non event because IT industry lknew it was real and after lots of work resolved issues. Real problem averted.

But no so open as to allow one's brains to fall out perhaps.

Any ideas for the caption to Nick Smith's photo above....how about
"this is how big Ken Ring's brain is"

No, it should be " I feel this big for falling for the ETS scam"

All of this negativity about Ken Ring mainly comes from outsiders ie people that don't live in Christchurch. I am from Christchurch and have experienced both quakes and I am quite thankful that Mr. Ring has given us some kind of info...any info is better than none. At least we are prepared and if we don't get the next quake then woohoo no harm done. I don't know of anybody that Mr. Ring is scaring???

Same. I'm from chch and was in the sept and feb ones. If someone is trying to help us in terms of preparing then it's a good thing. Better safe than sorry. Nothing lost if hes wrong, but if hes right (again) NB science is NOT exact but the electromagnetic, nuclear power and taking oil from the earth is obvious to most its BAD BAD BAD. oil lubricates, how do we know the tectonics arent getting drier and stressed as more oil gets taken out and the atmospheric heat keeps rising??????

Please do not tell people you are from Christchurch, we have enough disasters here and we don't want people to think we have literacy problems here also. Plate tectonics have nothing to do with oil or "being dry". It's horrible to see how uneducated you are.

i quote ken verbatim

""For the record, and if anyone is remotely interested in the facts, I have not predicted an earthquake on 20 March, for Christchurch or anywhere else."

www.debunkingkenring.wordpress.com

find the truth about ken there.

I thought there was freedom of speech in this country. Ken Ring has a theory and it is quite valid for him to raise it. Forewarned is forearmed and what is Nick Smith doing in Christchurch apart from eating in restaurants - typical public servant! Tell him to get out a shovel and spade.

This guy is a Mongreldog

This guy is a Mongreldog

who caused the ice age when men weren't around, and who or what caused the climate to change eons ago - only empty heads believe in global warming - it's a complete myth.

@Anonymous | Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 12:52pm
"who caused the ice age when men weren't around"
They are called Milankovitch Cycles , they are well documented, measurable cycles. And yes they can cause ice ages and global warming periods. No argument there. What is different now is that we are approaching a global warming period faster than we ever have before. So yes we (humans/our pollution) are having a effect on this cycle. So like most things in life it is not merely black or white (human impact or not) it is the gray area in between.

'What is different now is that we are approaching a global warming period faster than we ever have before'

You obviously haven't looked at the ice cores. If you had you would know that your statement above is complete rubbish.

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/ice-core-graph/

If man's CO2 output is the cause of the warming, where is the tropospheric hot spot predicted by the IPCC - the hot spot the IPCC said would prove AGW definitively?

For all those who agree anthropogenic global warming is rubbish read this article. It pokes a giant hole in the AGW theory that no global warming doomsayer has been able to counter, it's the death blow to the theory and peer-reviewed papers as late as 2010 have shown that the hot spot does NOT exist. No hot spot, no AGW.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/11/thorne-2010-a-very-incomplete-history-of-the-missing-hot-spot/

'What is different now is that we are approaching a global warming period faster than we ever have before'

You obviously haven't looked at the ice cores. If you had you would know that your statement above is complete rubbish.

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/ice-core-graph/

If man's CO2 output is the cause of the warming, where is the tropospheric hot spot predicted by the IPCC - the hot spot the IPCC said would prove AGW definitively?

For all those who agree anthropogenic global warming is rubbish read this article. It pokes a giant hole in the AGW theory that no global warming doomsayer has been able to counter, it's the death blow to the theory and peer-reviewed papers as late as 2010 have shown that the hot spot does NOT exist. No hot spot, no AGW.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/11/thorne-2010-a-very-incomplete-history-of-the-missing-hot-spot/

Have a look at the ice cores! Wonder where the name of icedriller came from?
I am a driller and I was part of the Andrill crew drilling for climate research in the Ross iceshelf in 2006-2007. So yes I have had a look at a fair amount of the ice cores. And have consequently spent a fair amount of time in the company of geologists and climate scientists.
Most of the drilling we did was recovering sediment cores from beneath the Ross ice shelf as they provide a longer climate record than ice cores. The problem being with ice cores is that they only display the recent history of the climate ( when we say recent I mean up to 500,000+ years ). You go into sediment cores and you can go far further back in time (in our case back around 50 million years). So from there you can have a better look at the patterns repeated by Milankovitch cycle events and see the difference from what is happening now.
So Anonymous, if you had read my post correctly I think it says quite clearly that I believe this is not entirely man made ( I believe I said in the grey area between black and White ).
As far as the troposphere argument goes, it is not my field and I know only surface things about it, so I can't qualify any argument on that. But rest assured I will research it before I take your assertion as a fact.

Can Icedriller point us to where the 2006-2007 ice core analysis reports were posted? I remember thinking we'll have to look very hard for them if they don't show what NIWA wants them to show....
But I am ever hopeful that there is indeed a link to "un-adjusted" data......

You could try these in relation to ice cores:
http://www.gns.cri.nz/Home/Services/Laboratories-Facilities/New-Zealand-Ice-Core-Research-Facility/Publications

And NIWA had very little to do with the program.
Most of the expeditions and scientists originate from Victoria University (Earth Sciences departments and Antarctic Research Centre), Otago University, and GNS.
But I think what you were getting at with "Can Icedriller point us to where the 2006-2007 ice core analysis reports were posted?" is the sediment cores I talked about? Is that correct?

Mr. Icedriller. If you know the ice cores then you'll know that your statement of :

'What is different now is that we are approaching a global warming period faster than we ever have before'

Is complete rubbish, what a liar!! I can see several similar rates of temperature incline way before man started pumping out CO2. The fact that you've drilled the ice cores and have examined them makes you doubly bad. What a lying scumbag.

Got your hand out for some taxpayers funds & scientific grants perhaps?

Would you be eligible for said funds & grants if you told the truth instead of spouting such blatant lies about the historical temperature record?

I agree with your sentiment but would have preferred you to say that the idea of man-made global warming is the myth. You probably meant to. Keep it up!

@ Footplate
maybe, your right. But I still believe humans are having considerable input into the current acceleration of the cycle. It is not 100% human activity triggered, but at what point do you call it a myth that we have no influence on it?

It is very easy to get off topic and personality and political opinions in relation to a story like this do exactly that.

If Ken Ring wants to predict earthquakes and the weather that is his provocative. However if he is going to insist on being taken seriously then he needs to support his claims with some data. He has demonstrated that there is science behind his claim and lets for arguments sake say it is scientifically sound. What I would like to find out from him is HOW he makes these predictions. Lets assume for a second that the moon is increasing stress on the tectonic plates of the earth. How does he know which fault line is about to 'burst', does he have a network of ground sensors recording this data, is he using satellites to measure tension forces in the ground? I have no problem opening my mind up to his theories but I would like to know all the information behind his theories so I can make a decision for myself.

One of the key principles behind scientific theory is that it must be testable. If Mr Ring can outline his theory in a method that allows others to understand and test his theories then he will be on the way to validating his argument. Until then I will take his predictions with a bag of salt.

I think Nick Smith should jump on his tractor and drive south and keep driving ( never stop). Nick Smith is accustomed to such idiotic behavior so I am not surprised with his rhetoric at present.
After all the moon is in perigee and does have effect on some people with such lunatic behavior.
In all my years I have never heard of such irresponsible rhetoric come from a minister who has absolutely no idea about the science associated to Ken Rings theories. There are plenty of scientist around the world that believe the moon/sun & planets affect the earth’s crust & weather which, have a bearing on earthquakes. It is also human intuition that we are somehow interacted with the earth planets, sun & moon. Let’s keep this in perspective (note) Ken Rings claims are of highly likely chance of an earthquake. At no stage has he ever said there will definitely be an earthquake. It would be fair to say Ken Ring has had reasonable success determining the probability of large earthquakes to date. I think NickSmith would do well in committing himself to the lunar bin for the time being, at least until the moon moves to arigee. Ken Ring as done well with his warnings. If an earthquake doesn’t happen then we have nothing to loose. Keep the good work up Ken !

I bet Nick Smith arranged this lunch before the earthquake in Japan - I'm sceptical that he and his fellow "sceptics" will have the bottle to turn up - from what I've read there is more credible evidence to back up Ken Ring's theories than Nick Smith has had hot dinners (and lunches) at taxpayer expense.

I agree. Great comment thanks.x

Smith isn't showing the size of Ring's brain....but his own willy......

And you know this how exactly ? As well as being full of BS, are you taking a leaf out of Ken's book and prediction willy sizes ?

It is the media that reports Christchurch is the target of March 20 quake. On his website he says it will occur on a East West running fault. Ken Ring may be the modern day Christopher Columbus, but people like Nick only believe in their own reflection.

If these comments are anything to go by, Nick Smith will soon be going the same way as that "scientist" that NIWA had to get rid of. Surely National Cabinet Ministers must be deeply embarassed by his arrogance and hypocrisy driving around in his large heavy death-gas emitting vehicle instead of a nice battery car? And all the flying to and fro from Nelson too. He and his ilk at NIWA are the real scaremongers, making teenagers worry about having children that will burn in a dangerous runaway global warming scenario. He is a natural fit in labour under David Parker.

Can someone ask his emminence Dr Nicholas Smith whether the moon is the cause of tidal flows, or is that caused by something else? Surely the moon can't be responsible for such huge sea changes, after all, it is so far away from the earth?

" Sign of the Kiwi, one of the tallest and oldest buildings in Christchurch" .. I think, even after the earthquake, this single story building is not one "one of the tallest", I think it is one of the highest (in the hills) and it is hardly "IN Christchurch", it's on the Summit road overlooking Christchurch.
Should be a great view of Christchurch one way or the other.

Just wanted to share....The maori's used the moon to tell them when it was low tide, high tide so, they knew what time to go diving/fishing and how long they had. They did the same when growing crops, using the sun behind them when planting. I no this as my parents did this all the time. My brother today uses the moon to tell him when he should go diving and how long he can stay out, before the tide comes in.

What's really offensive is Nick Smith signing us up to the ETS. He surrounds himself soothsaying doomsters spouting rubbish so he can flush the wealth of NZ down the dunny on something that has absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Why doesn't Nick Smith get on with the job of explaining why the GNS report of 1995 warned about severe earthquakes, tsunamis and liquifaction? Smart alecs like him didn't condemn them? Why not? This failure to take note meant completely inappropriate building was allowed for that tectonic area, leading to the death toll we see today.

Yes the GNS report warned of these things; we live in a nation where all of these disasters are to be expected and we should be prepared for them. We've been told to have an emergency kit since I was a kid. What does this have to do with Ken Ring, who has stated the blindingly obvious (there will be an earthquake today, somewhere, and somewhere else it will be wet, then dry...) ? He has taken it a step further, giving the disaster a date and a time (interview with Marcus Lush). He has encouraged people to stay away from the city on memorial day. The city is losing money because of this charlatan, let alone the emotional impact. He has taken this well beyond mere "opinion", and needs to be stopped. I hope there is a law against this behaviour and somebody can lay charges against him.

How ridiculous...and how about we hand the govt the remainder of our freedoms, including the freedom of speech

I had completely forgotten about 20th march prediction, now Nick Smith has added fuel to the fire that had nearly died down. Publicity stunt..definitely

If there was one person in this country who should not have cried "reckless"; "irresponsible"; " mumbo-jumbo" , it was this idiot Smith.
Dr. my Rs. Doctor of Hypocrisy, possibly!

Why don't people do their research before making stupid comments saying there is no science behind what Ken Ring is saying? If you actually bother to LOOK their is ample scientific evidence to support whats happening - keeping people misinformed is worse than not telling whats going on!

Ken Ring cites a blog post that the moon was above Tokyo (technically it was about 2/3rds of the way above the horizon) as evidence of the significant effect of the moon. I wish to point out that in the recent major Canterbury quake, the moon was below the horizon- i.e. on the other side of the planet.

I totally agree with Nick Smith in this instance. Ken Ring is the author of a cat palm (paw) reading book called "Palmistry" and is a magician/clown in his spare time. He has absolutely no qualifications other than perhaps a Bachelor of Bulls**t. People are leaving or avoiding the city in droves because of his ridiculous statements.

By the way Ken, nobody has claimed the study of links between earthquakes and the moon (or anything else) is "not science". What is not science, is the way you interpret these supposed links. Your APPROACH is unscientific. YOU do not UNDERSTAND the scientific process, and unfortunately, neither do the majority of people who believe your incorrect conclusions (especially when they are in the vulnerable position that Christchurch residents are).

The sign of the kiwi is not one of the oldest (it was opened in 1917, according to its website) nor tallest (it's single storied!) buildings in Christchurch - because it's not even in Chch. It sits at the top of Dyers Pass, in the port hills. (Maybe you meant elevation, it's certainly higher than any building in the city :))
If you got this info from a press release from Nick Smith, and simply reprinted it, shame on you.
Ring is a charlatan, sure. But you are a newspaper- some would claim 'of record'- not a recycling service for PR hackery. :)

the simple fact is that with his ETS scam which is being rammed down our throats Nick Smith has no credibility
liberte

the simple fact is that with his ETS scam which is being rammed down our throats Nick Smith has no credibility
liberte

It's kind of irrelevant who's right or wrong. The fact is earthquakes do happen and are happening now to Chch. We've always known there was the threat of earthquakes and yet human stupidity has meant homes were built on sand, the CBD was built on a swamp and stupid engineers signed off on highrise buildings built on this stuff. Throw the heritage dreamers into the mix and you've got a sluttery of human stupidity. And who pays for all this? The average working man - that's who. I've spent my working life of 45 years building Chch and I'm buggered if I'm going to build it a second time. The youth who have sat on their arses smoking dope, terrorising with their boy racer machines, drawing the dole and having a free ride can build it. I've done my bit and so have plenty of others. But here's the main reason why I won't be doing it: I con't be bothered watching councillors, politicians and vested interest parties argue about what Chch should look like for the next 15 years. The same people who made the wrong decisions last time will have a chance to stuff it up again. Mark my words!

Landigen : You have summed it up just right.
No accountability on anyone who was responsible.

Landigen
Powerful words spoken with passion.
I can tell. Its people such as you who are really the true spirit of your city and it breaks my heart wondering how we can really help those just like you who are the most deserving.

Bring on the 20th and we will see.

Why are the media and politicians being so agressive and rude? Are they are scared and its nervous behaviour because I am shocked at such strange behaviour and that they would want to make a bloke doing his job feel like he's to blame for anything. It makes me even more suspicious of both the media and politicians.

their behaviour is really bizaare...than normal that is

ACC Minister Nick Smith has said that earthquake soothsayer Ken Ring was “reckless and “irresponsible” and that he ought to be held to account for his predictions of a further earthquake in Christchurch.

Lunch date with destiny
The minister and the Skeptics Society are planning to have lunch in the Sign of the Kiwi, one of the tallest and oldest buildings in Christchurch, at noon this Sunday, the day Ken Ring predicted another earthquake would hit the city.

The minister, who has a background in earthquake engineering and a PhD in geotechnical engineering, told NBR he had been taken aback by the number of people taking Mr Ring seriously.

Scaring the kids
He said he was worried that people had become so fraught that any level of credence given to Mr Ring’s predictions would cause anxiety. He was particularly worried about small children and said he had young nephews and nieces who had asked their parents to leave Christchurch because of Mr Ring’s prediction of an earthquake on March 20.

“I find it offensive when people make the claim that they can predict the timing of earthquakes particularly given the level of anxiety in Canterbury.”

Claims cause harm
He said he wished to make a stand and say Mr Ring’s predictions are “mumbo-jumbo nonsense.” Mr Smith said Mr Ring did not seem to comprehend the level of anxiety people felt in Christchurch and should not make predictions when he was not qualified to do so and when such claims cause harm.

“Frankly what Mr Ring is doing is no better than people crying fire without cause in a packed stadium or picture theatre.”

He said it was very important in moving forward with reconstruction and dealing with earthquake risks that a science-based approach was taken, including acknowledgement of what was not known.

“There currently are no credible ways of predicting when earthquakes will strike.”

Shouldn't leave Christchurch
He said perhaps science would evolve to when it could accurately predict a quake, but there was “absolutely no evidence” to show there is any connection between the phases of the moon and the timing of earthquakes. People should certainly not leave Christchurch because of Mr Ring’s predictions, the Minister said.

“I would invite those committed to science, including understanding what the limits of science are, should join us at the Sign of the Kiwi and, at this very difficult time for New Zealand, put their hand up for backing rational science.”

The minister said he had no worries at all about lunch and was looking forward to meeting with geologists and earthquake engineers at the Sign of the Kiwi this Sunday.

Moon man responds
Mr Ring said in response to Mr Smith’s comments that he was not fearmongering.

“So far, the media have one and all called me what Dr Smith is calling [me], in other words, the person who is scaring Christchurch, and making people flee their homes, which is absolutely not true.”

He said universities globally were working on the moon link to earthquakes and that he would email NBR website links to university studies on the subject.

“If I pointed out that there is lots of science and that it’s not just me saying but that many Universities around the world are working on the moon link to earthquakes, what would be considered science, if not that? What is not science?”

NBR received an email from Mr Ring this morning with links to a National Geographic article about a study co-authored by a graduate student from the University of California, showing a correlation between tides and earthquakes, and a link to a report on the study.

Also included in the email were links to an article in the Journal of Geophysical Research titled 'Evidence for tidal triggering of earthquakes as revealed from statistical analysis of global data', a ThinkQuest site entitled 'Earthquake Predictors', a link to a Real News Reporter article mentioning Mr Ring, Russian scientists' support of him and predictions of earthquakes based on electromagnetic signals, and a link to a blog by biologist Dr Jennifer Marohasy focussing on Mr Ring's theories and the fact the moon was above Tokyo at the time of the quake.

Further links from Mr Ring can be found here, (article about a study from Paris Diderot University that claims a link between Earth tide and quakes) and here, (an article about Russian scientists saying neutron flashes and possibly the lunar cycle could forecast earthquakes).

Mr Ring finished his email with a question for Dr Smith: "What part of these articles is not science?"

Really short version: Nick Smith is a small minded man of no intelligence. I wonder how people like him get into positions of power? One of the great conundrums of life.

OK, where to begin.

NatGeo Article: Potential correlation of reverse and shallow slip faults that coincide with tidal forces. Mr Ring uses Solar, Lunar Jovian and Tidal forces to make his predictions. If the article noted a correlation with solar activity (it does not), lunar position (it does not), Jovian influence (none, and it does not) as well as the tidal force, then it would be on it's way to lending his theory water. It does not. And perhaps Mr Ring has forgotten that there are many other types of faults than just shallow and reverse slip faults.

ScienceXpress: Again, another potential correlation of shallow thrust faults with strong tides. Article notes that these influences are small, and the only place a correlation is visible is on certain crustal points with certain types of fault lines. In other words, you need a lot of perfectly exact coincidences for the correlation to even begin to show. Again, it also uses tidal forces, and does not account for Mr Ring's Solar, Lunar and Jovian influences.

JCR: Another article like the previous two expressing a potential correlation with tides and reverse slip faults. It also states that tidal forces appear to 'encourage' a fault of a certain type to go, but only when it is already at critical point. At which point it becomes difficult to tell if it was the tidal influence or the fault's natural progression that fired off.

ThinkQuest: Animals can detect quakes right before they hit. Well, Yes. They can. Animals can hear at different ranges from humans, and the P-wave of quake generates a sound below our sense of hearing that steadily grows in force. This is the 'freight train sound' so many earthquake survivors report. Animals can simply hear it before we do. This article has nothing to do with tides, solar activity, lunar position or the planet Jupiter.
No supporting evidence is given for Marsha Adam's EM invention, nor for "James" the Pet Detective. The Haicheng example is well-known urban folklore.

Real News Reporter: Let me get this right - This is an article provided by Ken Ring to prove his theories are right...that features as it's principle evidence...Ken Ring. Well. I'll leave the debunking of this one to time itself. According to the now suspect site, the US is in for a big quake within the next 10 days. It's also somehow completely missed the Japan 8.9 that occurred on the other side of the planet.

Jennifer Marohasy: Is a biologist. (As opposed to a geologist) The article is entitled "Opinion". The Moon was over Tokyo - yes, but using that logic, it was also over 50% of the planet Earth. And she uses Mr Ring again as her source. This is not proof of being right. This is proof that people do listen to Mr Ring. (Sadly)

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Mr Ring finished his email with a question for Dr Smith: "What part of these articles is not science?"

Well, 50% of them in terms of actual scientific inquiry, 83% if we're talking actual studies, and 0% if we're talking proof that Mr Ring is correct.

Case Closed.

Gotta love it when a propeller head says "Case Closed" ...sorta like "the science is settled".

The science is not settled, and there is academic debate about the exact effects of tidal forces on the earth's crust. What I was referring to was the specific 'evidence' presented by Mr Ring that fails to prove his point.

The "Case Closed" was a figure of speech.

Personally, I gotta love it when someone chooses to launch personal attacks on the author of a post instead of respectfully pointing out disagreements.

*propeller whirls furiously*

Please mr smith on the 20th day please invite john key and the rest of the national party with you!

Nick Smith is one of the most offensive unpopular MP's (posing as a public servant while self serving).
This NBR article is just getting more and more ridiculous.Its a dot com bubble waiting to return to its real value.....
I know Nick smith has probably invested much in the current tech and science stock bubble- but putting your name out there is well....embarassing.
At least it clearly shows the "collaboration" between science and govt.

Did Nick Smith say this:
"He said it was very important in moving forward........... that a science-based approach was taken, including acknowledgement of what was not known."?
Really, he actually said that?
Not about climastrology though. Oh, right!

I am not a Ken Ring advocate (his accuracy needs to be tested against the probability of random success) but it's a bit rich for Nick Smith to be critical. Nick has his own hocus pocus beliefs as an anthropological global warming advocate. Fact's show global warming is not influenced by man.

Worse still, Smith is getting everyone else to pay for his eco-faith views.

My sister lives in ChCh - New Brighton. She had never heard of Ken Ring so, here's some food for thought over what some of us have read of Ken Rings OPINIONS. Just before she had gone to bed (this last ChCh earthquake), she had noticed the moon was really low and thought it quite weird as she had never seen it like this. She remembers thinking (her words) corr blimey, you could nearly touch it. The day she heard about Ken was when he had his interview on Campball live, where Campball had made a right d..k of himself and had to apologise too Ken Ring. So, she did a bit of research on him...obviously alot of people have read Ken's OPINIONS and can link what she saw to his OPINIONS. ....FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

It is much easier to predict that Nick Smith will continue to make a fool of himself.

@Footplate
In response to "Footplate | Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 12:02pm It is much easier to predict that Nick Smith will continue to make a fool of himself."

Now that you could place money on!

I wonder whether Key or his advisors read this site -- if the comments on here reflect general opinion, even in a small way, Smith should be pushed way down the pecking order.

Many young people in Christchurch are scared and are passing each other misinformation about what the moon man has said. He is entitled to an opinion but not to pass that off as fact, as has been said - this is akin to yelling fire in a crowded stadium . These quotes are taken from his own website and are quoted verbatum rather than hearsay. Perhaps knowing what was actually said may be more helpful. His claim to have predicted the sep 4 quake rests upon "you'll be reading about floods and winds and earthquakes and snow over the next week or so, particually in the South Island." Where were the snow, floods and winds? If he gets kudos for the earthquake what about noting none of the others eventuated. Ok what about 22 Feb quake? Gns had consistantly commented that it was usual to have an earthquake of a magnitude lower ie a 6 within about six months of the initial quake. Mr Ring tweeted "potential earthquake time for the planet between 15th and 25 (ten day range of dates) esp 18th for Christchurch+/- about 3 days." ie between 15th and 21st. Missed the 22nd when it actually occured unless you keep stretching the range. On his website he wrote: "a 7+ magnitude somewhere is very likely...somewhere on the ring of fire..The range of risk may be within 500 kms of the Alpine fault." So in the tweet even allowing for a large window of days the quake still was outside it and with the website comment note the use of the word may and the range of 500 kms which could cover much of the South Island. Also from Mr Rings website, he wrote about an earthquake in Hokitika on 12 March 2011, I am sure you all heard about that? No well perhaps that's because it didn't happen. If you followed Mr Rings predictions it would become clear that people only remember what they think are hits and dismiss the rest. What if Hokitika had been evacuated last weekend and the wild foods festival cancelled on the basis of the prediction similar to that he is giving about Christchurch. So what about the 20th of March. Although Mr Ring is saying now that there will be quake, twice on his website he stated that:"Next March Christchurch might well be one of the safest places" and "In fact I think its more likely not to be the case in Christchurch." He went on the say: "it is reasonable to relax and assume another devastating shake is unlikely to unlikely to repeat anytime soon despite a Seismology department knee jerk reaction that a 6+ magnitude earthquake aftershook could be arriving in the district anytime soon." It would seem that even Mr Ring can not follow his own theory consistantly if he is now saying that there will be a quake on the 20th.
Mr Ring claims that scientists ignore his theories and if they only followed them up, well then they would see he was right. One scientist, Paul Nichols from Canterbury University has and even using Mr Rings own explainations of how the process works ie lunar distance and moon's phase, has found that the results do not show alignment of the quakes with the phases as would be expected if the theory held water.
As a resident of Christchurch I too would like to grasp at some certainty of how to be safe BUT to follow what Mr Rings says is to grasp at a straw which breaks in your hand. Having people say he is wrong because the outcomes do not fit his theory does not make him a scientist misunderstood or badly treated by an Establishment, it just makes him wrong. Believeing him is like a cult religion, requiring blind an unthinking faith but making one part of a special group for whom "persecution" is the proof that they are the elect and therefore right. Like the ugly sister in the fairytale who had to cut her toes off to fit into Cinderella's slipper, in real science, one that we can believe in, the outcomes fit the theory just as Cinderella's foot fit the slipper with no need to adjust anything. I know who I would rather take the ball! or in other words trust to keep me accurately informed.

Thank you for some research and some logic, both seem to have vanished from many forums lately.

Catsmother : Christchurchers have been so badly let down by those in authority. Instead of holding accountable those who authorised inappropriate buildings buildings on a swamp in a known tectonic zone, they rant at Ken Ring, who is only trying to highlight why he still thinks there will be more serious problems. GNS's report has never been retracted. That means they think there will still be severe earthquakes, tsunamis, and liquifaction, yet no one attacks them. Why? They don't ask why no one including Nick Smith didn't take notice of what are now proven good work done by GNS and the warnings ( including tsunamis) concerning Christchurch.

I predict Nick smiths ratings will drop like the Nikkei.
What a foolish thing to do on NBR!

I find the continued "Ken Ring Offensive" offensive.
Don't these MP's have anything to do but maintain their offensive positions ?

Well Mr almighty Smith. Let's wait and see.

Why do you always think you are right and all else in coventry ?.

Can't the MP go and write a twelve point memo to himself on How to identify ACC property fraud (in less than 20 years).

OK, which is in reality dangerous, co2 or earthquakes? Smith says co2. What is the greatest danger to the NZ economy? - Nick Smith.
Smith sides with "skeptics" when it suits his political purposes, yet has forced a monster wind farm, the Turitea wind farm , on Palmerston North and IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PAHIATUA FAULT LINE!. What an idiot.

I'm pretty sure Sign of the Kiwi is NOT one of the tallest buildings in Christchurch.

On March 19th, the moon will be closer to Earth than it's been since 1992. The full moon that night will appear about 14 percent larger and significantly brighter than usual, but despite the brightness, the supermoon has a dark side. Supermoons have been linked to massive natural disasters in the past, from earthquakes to floods--but that connection is typically touted by astrologists. Astronomers and scientists, with typical drollness, say a catastrophe is unlikely.

March 19th marks this year's lunar perigee, the point in the moon's orbit at which it is closest to Earth. It's the moon's elliptical orbit that's responsible for the differences in distance between the moon and Earth (the opposite, the point at which the moon is farthest from the Earth, is called the lunar apogee). This month's perigee will leave the moon, says Steve Owens at Dark Sky Diary, about 8 percent closer to Earth than usual, and about 2 percent closer to Earth than the average lunar perigee. In fact, it'll be the closest positioning since 1992.

Past supermoons have coincided with natural disasters--the Indonesian earthquake in 2005, Australian flooding in 1954--but scientists note that those are unrelated, more likely than not. Says John Bellini, a geophysicist at the U.S. Geological Survey: "A lot of studies have been done on this kind of thing by USGS scientists and others. They haven't found anything significant at all." The tides will pull a bit higher, but earthquakes are almost completely unaffected and volcanoes are not likely to show unusual behavior. John Vidale, a seismologist at the University of Washington in Seattle, said "Practically speaking, you'll never see any effect of lunar perigee. It's somewhere between 'It has no effect' and 'It's so small you don't see any effect.'"

Besides, it's still 2011. Everyone knows there won't be any world-ending catastrophes until next year, right?

Photo caption "and when I think about privatizing the best bits of ACC it grows to this big".
I'm sorry I think you exaggerated the size of your potiential growth.
HAHAHA.

hahahaha good one.

Nick smith would have been one of those who would have continued to contend the world was flat as those who thought otherwise were not qualified to do so.
Nick can not tell us what effect fuel emissions have yet can say the charges are ok, he is not qualified to make such a statement, and as no one is, he should be held to account fro allowing actual money to be ripped form the pockets of new zealanders

Nick smith would have been one of those who would have continued to contend the world was flat as those who thought otherwise were not qualified to do so.
Nick can not tell us what effect fuel emissions have yet can say the charges are ok, he is not qualified to make such a statement, and as no one is, he should be held to account fro allowing actual money to be ripped form the pockets of new zealanders

Since when did anything on anyones personal website be regarded as scaremongering? Moon man albiet right or wrong is trying to help the situation not make one. Nick Smith, pull your head out of your ETS scheme and smell the scientific roses of your own rubbish.

How about "Nick Smith Offensive, should be held to account"

Works for me.

What if Ken Ring is right within a few days of the 20 of March there is another big earthquake in Christchurch. Im living in the UK and there has been a few articles in the papers over here about the moon being closest to the earth on the 19th of March. They also say the this will bring extreme weather and possible earthquakes. Surely if other people are picking up on this we can't write it off just yet. A warning is a warning weather you choose to believe it is up to you isn't it?

Don't use your back like a crane!

We have weather warnings, which are more often than not wrong. But we have been warned. We don't go for the kill of thw weather forecasters do we? We have tsunami warnings. So why can't we also have earthquake risk warnings? Something like "Wellington is on a known fault line. Many of the older buildings may endanger life in the event of a earthquake. No one in local government or local council will be repsonsible in the event that an old building falls down and kills you, even if they knew it was not up to modern building standards. You have been warned."

Why is this shit still "news"

... have you been to what used to be Christchurch? just to recap an earthquake wiped out the 3rd largest city in NZ. hope this answers your question.

oh come on ........!!! to my knowledge Ken Ring never said "There will be another big quake in Chrischurch on the 20th March". He said it is "possible" that there will be quake activity around the 19th-21st March between marlbough and north canterbury! "Possible" is the word that sticks out to me, take this information as you see fit! But there is no need to ridacule the man or make it into a huge deal!!!

What pratttish behaviour by Nick Smith.

An extraordinary attack on freedom of speech and thought which has been neither actionable or defamatory. This really is the Thought Police in action -disgraceful behaviour by a minister

Good to see others making the point about what a nerve Smith has considering he endorses the rubbish that CO2 is a damaging gas, atmospherically.

Lisa, it's possible that you may get hit by a car today, tomorrow and any day of you life.

I believe in science but i know its got some HUGE limitations and missing gaps especially in our solar system and the tectonics. its horrible that some people (eg Nick Smith) can be so blaise and self assured. the egg.

It's funny because it actually happened, sure it wasn't as big as he may have thought, but so far his 'theory' has been right for the last 6 biggest quakes since the September one.

Take what you will, and read it from his website itself, not what wrap the news makes of it.

That was merely in the top 20 since September and definitely won't make the history book, the energy is hundred times less than a 7+, and happened at a place so far away from the Alpine Fault. If you have that much time to waste, read a book.

National Party would love to pass Christ- church's Earthquake bill on to someone else and now look like they are trying to blame Ken Ring. I am a Climate Warming skeptic and a believer in the Climategate saga. Nick Smith and the National Party don't want to loose the extra revenue gathering by the Government from Carbon Tax so they want to silence any one whose scientific methods might prove that climate change is not man-made. It would not surprise me to learn that his business skeptics have an invested interest as well.

Too true... Carbon Tax is simply theft in the name of tax. Ken Ring is a challenge to the criminals.

An influential professor who worked as an assessor for the United Nations IPCC has called for democracy to be replaced with an eco-dictatorship where enslaved masses are ruled over by an “elite warrior leadership” and forced to adhere to a new green religion, in yet another shocking example of how prominent global warming alarmists are revealing themselves as dangerous eco-fascists.

Professor David Shearman, MD, is Emeritus Professor of Medicine, University of Adelaide, and a Visiting Research Fellow at the University’s Department of Geography and Environmental Sciences and Law School. Shearman was an Assessor for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report and the Fourth Assessment Report.

In his writings, Shearman, who labels humanity a “malignant eco-tumour” and an “ecological cancer,” says that “authoritarianism is the natural state of humanity” and that in order to save the planet from man-made climate change, an “elite warrior leadership” needs to be formed that will “battle for the future of the earth”.

Part of this battle involves replacing traditional religions like Christianity and Islam with a new green religion that would fit better with an authoritarian government.

“It is not impossible that from the green movement and aspects of the new age movement a religious alternative to Christianity and Islam will emerge,” writes Spearman. “And it is not too difficult to imagine what shape this new religion could take. One would require a transcendent God who could punish and reward – because humans seem to need a carrot and a stick.”

Spearman’s “transcendent God” is the God of the state, punishing the enslaved citizen for every eco-infraction under this new green totalitarianism. He openly advocates the contrived manufacturing of a new God and a new religion so that the masses of enslaved citizens under his envisaged eco-autocracy would be to coerced to comply as part of some hideous global brainwashing program. This obviously has its roots in ancient pagan beliefs of barbaric sacrifices being necessary to appease mother earth, which at one stage in history involved mothers killing their own babies for the greater good.

Even more chillingly, Shearman advocates the set up of specialized re-education centers where eco-zombies are trained to become part of a green army of enforcers.

“Chapter 9 will describe in more detail how we might begin the process of constructing such real universities to train the ecowarriors to do battle against the enemies of life. We must accomplish this education with the same dedication used to train its warriors. As in Sparta, these natural elites will be especially trained from childhood to meet the challenging problems of our times,” writes Spearman.

Spearman outlines his vision of a dictatorial global government comprised of the elite ruling over the planet on page 134 of his book, The Climate Change Challenge and the Failure of Democracy.

“Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task.”

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“Posted on a blog somewhere, such a plan would probably elicit a visit from the anti-terrorist division of the police,” writes Haunting The Library blog. “But the fact that it comes from a professor at a major university, who works for the IPCC and was written at the behest of a serious academic institute, founded by Act of Congress, means that the author need not be afraid. But we should be.”

“I could go on quoting from the book, but I’m sure you’ve already got the gist of what’s being proposed here: Global warming presents such a massive and immediate danger that democracy no longer cuts it, and an authoritarian ecological government of ‘natural elites’ will have to be found to replace it, as well as a new green religion to help provide ‘social glue for the masses’.”

As we have documented, Shearman is not alone in his brazen call for freedom to be abolished and replaced by an authoritarian green tyranny. Indeed, this is a common cause embraced by a multitude of influential climate change activists and scientists.

- Finnish environmentalist guru and global warming alarmist Pentti Linkola has publicly called for climate change deniers to be “re-educated” in eco-gulags and that the vast majority of humans be killed with the rest enslaved and controlled by a green police state, with people forcibly sterilized, cars confiscated and travel restricted to members of the elite. Linkola wants the last 100 years of human progress to be “destroyed”.

- James Lovelock, the creator of the Gaia hypothesis, told the Guardian last year that “democracy must be put on hold” to combat global warming and that “a few people with authority” should be allowed to run the planet.

- This sentiment was echoed by author and environmentalist Keith Farnish, who in a recent book called for acts of sabotage and environmental terrorism in blowing up dams and demolishing cities in order to return the planet to the agrarian age. Prominent NASA global warming alarmist and Al Gore ally Dr. James Hansen endorsed Farnish’s book.

- The current White House science czar John P. Holdren also advocates the most obscenely dictatorial, eco-fascist, and inhumane practices in the name of environmentalism. In his 1977 Ecoscience textbook, Holdren calls for a “planetary regime” to carry out forced abortions and mandatory sterilization procedures, as well as drugging the water supply, in an effort to cull the human surplus.

- Another prominent figure in the climate change debate who exemplifies the violent and death-obsessed belief system of the movement is Dr. Eric R. Pianka, an American biologist based at the University of Texas in Austin. During a speech to the Texas Academy of Science in March 2006, Pianka advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the world’s population through the airborne ebola virus.

Nick Smiths is not a seismologist or weather forecaster - why do these politicians think they know better or can tell other people what they can or cant say ? Nick Smith should do what hes paid to do - leave the weather predicting up to those who know what their talking about