NZ POLITICS DAILY: NZ in running to be gayest place on earth?

Labour's Grant Robertson

Is New Zealand "in the running to become the gayest place on earth"?

That’s the suggestion of America’s gay magazine Instinct, following the passage of Louisa Wall’s marriage equality bill by surprisingly high margin of 80 to 40.

The international coverage of what is happening is quite interesting – for example, the Washington Post has run Nick Perry’s report, New Zealand Parliament passes 1st stage of gay marriage law spurred by Obama declaration. This includes the quote from Wall: "I think the catalyst was around Obama’s announcement, and then obviously our prime minister came out very early in support, as did the leader of my party… The timing was right.:

The most interesting aspect of the vote was the huge margin brought about by some significant switches of support. According to Isaac Davison and Claire Trevett, "The most dramatic turnaround of the night came from National's Hunua MP, Paul Hutchison, who had told the Herald on Tuesday that he would oppose the measure" – see PM says support for gay marriage 'overwhelming', which provides a comprehensive coverage of what happened.
 
It also reports that the prime minister has said the margin was higher than he expected, and despite the fact that Key had previously voted against civil unions in 2004, he heralded it as an "overwhelming result" and a "strong endorsement for equality of rights".
 
Other apparent vote switchers in National – or at least surprise supports of marriage equality – included Gerry Brownlee, Jami-Lee Ross and Maggie Barry. And on the Labour side, many were impressed with the speech and support given by David Clark, a former Presbyterian minister, who had last year been unfavourable towards marriage equality. 
 
But the really interesting convert to gay marriage has been ACT leader John Banks, who previously pronounced the homosexual law reform bill as "evil" and its passing as a "sad and sickening day".
 
Duncan Garner also explains "the 26-year turnaround of John Banks", saying that "he's effectively been rolled by his party. They've demanded the conservative becomes libertarian. This guy has even less credibility than he did post the Dotcom saga – if that's possible. He's a joke isn't he?" – see: Gay marriage bill will pass.
 
And Banks’ declared support of gay marriage has possibly been as influential as that of Obama and Key on wavering MPs – after all, who wants to risk being labelled as "more socially conservative than John Banks"?
 
The most interesting post-vote stats analysis comes from David Farrar, who does the number crunching of the various parliamentary demographics to show who voted – see: How they voted details. He outlines for example that Cabinet ministers voted by a huge margin in favour (14 to 6), that amongst Pacific MPs two were in favour and four against, "Provincial MPs were overall against, but rural MPs were in favour".
 
Farrar also notes, the "MPs who voted against civil unions and for same sex marriage are Gerry Brownlee, David Carter, Judith Collins, Clayton Cosgrove, Peter Dunne, Paul Hutchison, John Key, Murray McCully, Lockwood Smith, Tariana Turia, Maurice Williamson".
 
On this issue of "the 11 MPs that swung from opposing civil unions a few years ago to backing same-sex marriage", Jane Clifton seeks an explanation in Marriage equality bill: the closet liberals
 
But the real must-read is Gordon Campbell’s account: On last night’s same sex marriage debate. Campbell gives various forms of bouquets to Paul Hutchison, David Clark, Tim McIndoe, Su’a William Sio and the institution of conscience votes. But brickbats are handed out to John Hayes and Winston Peters, with special explanations of their alleged disingenuousness in the debate and vote.
 
Campbell also points out another fascinating feature of the vote: "More surprising to some that National’s token liberal Chris Finlayson – also a Catholic and reportedly, also gay – voted against it. As did Tony Ryall".
 
Campbell also raises some possibly problematic issues to be discussed at the select committee considering the bill. Another blog to go to for detailed coverage of the debate and vote is Toby Manhire’s ongoing NZ’s marriage equality bill – a longblog
 
There has been much angst on the left about those leftwing MPs – or at least in the Labour Party – who have been ambivalent or opposed to the legislation. Phil Twyford has come into the strongest criticism – see the blog post on Ideologically Impure, Phil Twyford, taking a truly brave stand on marriage equality.
 
See also Cameron Slater’s SMOG of the day explaining Twyford’s "social media own goal".
 
The socially liberal rightwing has had to work overtime to win over some of the National vote – see David Farrar’s The politics of the same sex marriage issue, which gives a step-by-step argument for wavering MPs to support gay marriage. 
 
The issue has brought out some bizarre proclamations from MPs – Tau Henare’s odd Twitter communications about the bill are reported in Isaac Davison’s Henare the wizard gets to the heart of the matter.
 
Another interesting contribution to the debate was made by the Auckland church that erected a billboard showing "two model brides kissing atop a wedding cake, with the text 'We don't care who's on top'" – see Paul Harper’s St-Matthew-in-the-City uses billboard to support gay marriage
 
One criticism that can be made of Louisa Wall’s legislation is its ambiguity over the impact of gay marriage on churches. Wall claims the bill would have no impact on the right of churches to pick and choose who they marry, and the Human Rights Commission backs up that view.
 
But there’s still room for doubt about this – which the anti-gay marriage lobby has been exploiting and will continue to leverage before further readings of the bill in Parliament – see John Hartevelt’s Bill 'forces same-sex marriages on church' – lawyer and Isaac Davison and Rebecca Quilliam’s 50,000 sign against gay marriage
 
Other important or interesting political items yesterday include:
 
And now the alcohol vote takes place. This will also be somewhat historic – on the basis that MPs will vote on the purchase age with three options instead of the usual two.
 
This is all explained in detail by law expert Graeme Edgeler in Alcohol Game Theory, who speculates on what effect this could have on the outcome. Apparently, the split option – which was once the most popular amongst MPs – is now the least popular – see Isaac Davison’s Vote on liquor-purchasing age expected to be close.
 
And Mai Chen explains why the whole process is very fraught in terms of ‘coherent law reform’ – see: Liquor reforms highlight issues of moral bills
 
The Herald yesterday came out in support of the "split option" – see: Split age best option for liquor sales, and Kiwiblog has a guest blog post making the case to keep it 18.
 
Meanwhile, John Banks is in major trouble with his party for supporting a raised purchase age – see TV3’s ACT on Campus slams Banks over drinking age vote
 
In a sign of how heated the alcohol debate is becoming among the various experts, Kurt Bayer reports Academics slam youth drinking researcher. And Eric Crampton continues his argument against the "moral panic" in Alcohol purchase age
 
Is Labour too boring and cowardly? That’s the essential message from ex-MP Kelvin Davis in his Maui St blogpost Getting it right: Why Labour's failed to fire.
 
He makes a plea for the party to follow Louisa Wall’s example with the marriage equality bill and "skirt with controversy, to wear their hearts on their sleeves, go out on a limb…. Just throw some outrageous lefty ideas out there and sit back and watch the reaction, gauge the feedback, stir the pot and revel in the attention".
 
David Shearer has now responded to questions about the authenticity of his famous "Man on the roof" – see Giovanni Tiso’s Man on the roof (addendum). But not everyone’s convinced – for example, from the right, Cameron Slater, and from the left, the blogger Ideological impure
 
The government is quite right to point the finger at the economy to explain increasing inequality – see Key rules out bringing back child payments. It is really a statement of fact to say that the booms and troughs of capitalism have a huge impact on the material wellbeing of the poor.
 
But this shouldn’t necessarily get the government off the hook says No Right Turn in A choice on child poverty. Cathy Odgers puts forward a different perspective in A Poverty of Reality
 
But the must-read item is Danyl Mclauchlan’s Government crumbles under lobbying from impoverished children
 
John Minto is New Zealand’s most prominent living political activist. Karl Du Fresne gives his assessment of him in Be careful what you wish for. Meanwhile, an activist of quite a different sort has died – Jeremy Pope, the co-founded of Transparency International – see: Top activist and lawyer dies
 
Despite complaints about it being too easy for foreigners to invest in New Zealand, the New Zealand Institute (the old Business Roundtable) says that the OECD has found "New Zealand as among the most restrictive foreign investment regimes in the developed world".
 
The NZI "argues for abolishing the screening rules altogether" – see Jenny Keown’s NZ entry not easy – OECD
 
The government’s plans to introduce detention rules for boat-arriving asylum seekers has come under yet more criticism – this time from an ex-National government Immigration minister who warns that National will incur the blame from the subsequent problems – see Danya Levy’s Letter warns National of asylum seeker folly
 
A "constitutional coup 'd'etat" nearly occurred in 1984, according to the then Deputy Prime Minister Jim McLay, who recounted the story in depth at Tuesday’s McGuinness Institute Empower conference on the Consititutional Review – see Audrey Young’s McLay: My plan to replace Muldoon
 
Finally, although it’s not online, the latest Metro magazine has some important articles for politicos. John Stephenson writes on the failure of New Zealand’s Provincial Reconstruction Team to actually do much reconstructing in "Fear and failure in Bamiyan".
 
Steve Braunias ("Party central") explains why he "felt a sudden urge to sign up to the National Party" when he attended their annual conference, but was thwarted by a lost raffle.
 
David Slack impersonates Colin Craig in his Power column, and Simon Wilson has a feature story that evaluates the various New Zealand universities. 
 
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Content:

 
Marriage equality legislation
Isaac Davison and Claire Trevett (Herald): PM says support for gay marriage 'overwhelming'
David Farrar (Kiwiblog): How they voted details
Scott Yorke (Imperator Fish): Some Things Change, Others Don't
Isaac Davison (Herald): Gay marriage bill passes first step
Kate Shuttleworth and Audrey Young (Herald): Marriage bill passes first reading
Danya Levy and Kate Chapman (Stuff): Gay marriage debate to get 'tougher and nastier'
John Hartevelt and Sam Boyer (Stuff): Marriage bill to go to select commitee
Jacqui Stanford (Newstalk ZB): Marriage Bill clears first hurdle
Rose Troup Buchanan (Telegraph): New Zealand is voting on gay marriage 
John Hartevelt and Mathew Grocott (Manawatu Standard): How our MPs voted on gay marriage
John Hartevelt and Sam Boyer (Waikato Times): Region's MPs split on gay marriage
Tim Selwyn (Tumeke): Being Mr Unpopular
Emma Hart (Public Address): Choice, Bro
Isaac Davison (Herald): More MPs opposing gay marriage
Isaac Davison and Rebecca Quilliam (Herald): 50,000 sign against gay marriage
John Hartevelt (Stuff): Lobbyists gather before marriage vote
Hayden Donnell (Herald): John Banks to vote for marriage equality
 
Alcohol reform legislation
Graeme Edgeler (Public Address): Alcohol Game Theory
Eric Crampton (Offsetting Behaviour): Alcohol purchase age
Cathy Odgers (Cactus Kate): Marriage Equality Dramatics Now Keep It 18's
The Standard: Alcohol distraction
 
Child poverty
No Right Turn: A choice on child poverty
David Kennedy (Local Bodies): Shocking Unemployment Figures revealed!
Steven Cowan (Against the current): This way to servitude
Cathy Odgers (Cactus Kate): A Poverty of Reality
 
Drug testing beneficiaries
Danya Levy (Stuff): Drug-test makers 'stand to gain'
Kate Shuttleworth (Herald): Shearer: Drug testing announcement cynical
 
Asset sales
Vernon Small (Dom Post); Asset sales looking worse for wear
Ben Chapman-Smith (Herald): Future economists to debate asset sales
 
NZ in Afghanistan
Richard Jackson (ODT): Time for NZ to exit Afghanistan
Nicholas Jones (Herald): Film-maker rows with cops over threats
 
Other
Jenny Keown (Stuff): NZ entry not easy - OECD
Phil Kitchin (Stuff): ACC move 'inadequate'
Phil Kitchin (Stuff): Second inquiry into Infratrain
Kate Chapman (Stuff): Key, Gillard talk asylum centres
No Right Turn: Reported back
Audrey Young (Herald): McLay: My plan to replace Muldoon
Karl Du Fresne (Dom Post): Be careful what you wish for

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Overwhelming, I seriously dought that is the case. Sickening would be a better adjective.
For me JK you are finished. Not half the man I thought you would be and certainly not a leader.

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You are on the button.Seems there is a huge shift to the Conservative Party,run by a man called Colin Craig.The shift is being caused by some actions and comments by National Party hierarchy,who should know better.The battle in 2014 will be Labour,Greens V National and the Conservative Party.Perhaps thats the way Key has planned it.If he has it is a brilliant tactic.

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It won't be long till Labour MP's come out of the closet and openly appear in drag.

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I agree the conservatives have a serious chance in the next election. As an Epsom
voter John Banks will not get my vote and not will National. More power to Craig - though I am concerned more significant damage will have been done to NZ by then.

Remember how incensed so many on the right were with Labour for their social engineering agenda. Now National looks no different.

Next: Gay adoption, polygamy, pedophilia? - its all on now - wake up NZ we are progressively destroying our society

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Yes pedophilia! Because acts between consenting adults are exactly the same as those between adults and children whom by definition can't give consent. And if you don't believe me, why not ask former Christian Heritage Party leader Graham Capill? I'm sure he'll set you right on how they were just "asking for it".

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How could anyone support the Conservative Party when at their core they are Christian fundamentalists... people, these people are fantasists who believe in divine insemination, dead people coming back to life and who are more than quick to judge those not in their supernatural tribe which is governed by a God that operates what Christopher Hitchens described a a celestial North Korea, these people are mad... hello? Sorry forgot, Epsom voters are mad, look who they have voted for in the past.

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I hope they will not make gay marriage compulsory

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Paul N - what a lot of deadheaded rubbish!

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New Zealand the Gayest Place On Earth?? Welcome to New Sodom, the Key characteristic of which is intractable arrogance.

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What next? Legal marriage between a sheep and a man?!

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We'll have marriage between a sheep and a man, and any other perversion the unbridled human mind can dream up, once we have successfully integrated as a No-Blame No-Guilt society.

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Yes I see again that the difference between "consensual" and "non-consensual" has passed so far over your pointy heads that it has left a contrail.

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