## Oracle will begin America's Cup on -2

Team NZ will begin the best-of-17 America's Cup series against Team Oracle with a two point advantage.

That means Oracle needs to win 11 races to defend the America's Cup, while Team NZ will have to win just nine of the scheduled races to take the trophy (the series will extend to up to 17 races).

An international jury ruled this morning that Oracle made illegal modifications to its catamarans.

The jury found four sailors guilty of gross misconduct after adding weights and altering measurements to the smaller AC45s used to win the last two world series titles they subsequently forfeited.

As well as being docked a crucial two points, Team Oracle has been fined \$US250,000 and one sailor and two shore crew have been banned from the competition.

The America's Cup begins in San Francisco on September 7.

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How does the maths of this work? If it's still only 17 races, and TNZ need 9 points to win, conceivably you could have a situation where at the end of 17 races, TNZ are ahead on points, but don't have 9 points (e.g. TNZ win 8 races = 8 points, Oracle win 9 races = 7 points taking into account their -2 penalty).

So in that case would TNZ win, even though they don't have 9 points?

Yeah think the maths are out by one, TNZ need only win 8 races and Oracle need 10 (of the 17)

Question please. Is there 1 point per race alloted. If answer yes then the first to 9 wins right? So the 2 point penalty against Oracle, do they go to Team NZ or does that mean Oracle has to win two races to get to zero?

If so then am I correct that TNZ still has to win 9 races and Oracle 11?

Yeah true, someone can't count. TNZ needs to win 8 races to win the cup, whereas Oracle needs to win 10 races to win it if they race 17 times.

Actually guys, it's referred to a best of 17 as a shorthand on the basis both teams start with 0 points but the protocol states it's the first team in the match to get to 9 points. So best just think of it as first to 9 points.

Therfore - if Oracle (The Defender) win two races, then they get to 0 points and then have to win a further 9 races to get the 9 points to win (a total of 11 wins for them to retain) and ETNZ have to get to 9 to win the cup. So if it's really close then it could well be 8-all in points after 18 races (10 wins on the water to Oracle and 8 wins on the water to ETNZ) and then it would be the the 19th race as the decider.

Because we don't know exactly how fast the boats are relative to each other then the penalty could be a moot point if the Oracle boat is a bolter as we will watch it do a horizon job for another couple of races - on the other hand, if it's relatively a dog then nine races will not come up quickly enough.

The other element is that Oracle have to win a couple of extra times to retain - given that these AC72s are just a small mishap from a catastrophic failure (eg the pitchpole to Oracle B1 and Artermis B1 and the submarine impersonation by Aotearoa in the LVC) then it could end up being a race of attrition although... if a boat did fail, then the other team still has to sail the course and finish it to register the nine points.

Although if neither syndicate manages 9 points without losing their boats then the defender retains which would be the most darkest moment in what history will not remember as a particularly great AC regatta.

If a boat is damaged beyond repair, are they allowed to use their other boat? Or are they restricted to just one.

Its unlikely both teams will damage their boats. In the event of one failure, the other will just cruse to the finish - they wont push hard like ETNZ did.

Quote:
"The 2010 America's Cup was raced in 90 ft (27 m) lwl multihull yachts in a best-of-three "deed-of-gift" match in Valencia, Spain in February 2010. Challenger BMW Oracle Racing beat defender Alinghi 2–0 and won the Cup for the Golden Gate Yacht Club."
Perhaps BMW Oracle and hard-done-by Alinghi should be racing with each other first, and the winner challenging Team New Zealand for this famous America Cup.

Glad it is sorted. The development cycle is still relatively early and I suspect that this may not matter on the water as one boat may be dominant - at least at the start.

This is F1 on the water. Elite sailors in machines that are pushing the performance envelope to levels well beyond even last month. Our team has been leading the way in both speed and safety. But no matter what happens as kiwis we can be proud of our own accomplishments - in all teams and the regatta itself.

Bring the cup home chaps.

Exactly, given the design of these boats and the lack of true match racing that results the eventual winner of the AC will likely be known after 2-3 races, notwithstanding the 2 point penalty. This has become such a rich person's glamour event that public interest has understandably waned and I only hope we win it so we can return it to some sort of fair, competitive event where tactics and crew work are as important determinants as money. Bring back mono-hulls

What a *ank!

If TNZ win the cup the last thing they will want to do is to return to mono-hulls. After having become the leaders in wing-sail, foiling multi-hulls TNZ will want to retain their technology advantage and avoid dumping their now huge sunk development costs into the harbour.

Why do you think Oracle returned to San Fran to compete with multi-hull wingsail? ... because that is what they had developed in Valencia in DOG challenge and they had huge tech. advantage lead ... until TNZ started foiling.

Haven't you just provided the evidence against your argument - why retain the highly technical format when there is a risk someone else will come up with something new. Oracle though they had the technology advantage and lost in in less than one cycle.

Lots of money cant create great sailors but it can easily develop new technology.

You seem to be suggesting there is another great step change to sailing like foiling waiting somewhere in the wings for development ... ? We are all ears if you know of one. Otherwise it is just more evolution than revolution.

Unless there are specific rules forbidding it, no doubt foiling mono-hulls will be considered next time anyway if it fits inside the design rules.

Not necessarily a given about the outcome being clear after 1 or 2 races.

First, there is a strong possibility that the OR and ETNZ are more closely matched than any other combo previously seen. Why? Because they're the only 2 campaigns to have got through the whole development process with 2 rigorously tested boats. LR were using ETNZ's discarded 1st gen design package, and AR never really recovered the tragic failure of their first boat. OR not only recovered their first boat, but brought it in line with their second, providing the most reliable data platform for 2 boat testing in the regatta. They will be seriously competent, as are ETNZ.

Second, I expect there'll be much more hotly contested starts. We haven't yet seen how effectively an evenly matched boat & crew can attack from behind, or from in front.

Third, we've seen how quickly it can all go wrong. There's at least a slight probability that the AC will be won be the last boat standing.

If they are closely matched, we may see tacking duels - do you risk splitting sides or do you cover and risk losing speed if you drop off your foil.

Like the first and all subsequent ACs it's who has the fastest boat will win. Unlike the world match racing series where the boats are identical and the best crew wins. We will know who is the fastest on Sunday NZT.

Graeme, maybe. But so far, the 2013 has been more like early editions of the Whitbread round the world race. Large performance differentials, high risk.

It'll still be high risk. And it's possible that one boat is faster in different conditions than the other.

We know Oracles weakness, those fine bows that lack buoyancy when baring away. One bad pitch pole and Oracle may be out of the racing!

The outcome of the Americas Cup will be known within 2 legs of the first race.

Assuming the leading boat stays in one piece.

And assuming that the boat that wins the second leg of the first race enjoys an equally significant speed advantage in all wind and wave conditions on all points of sailing in all subsequent races.

And assuming neither boat makes any significant boat speed or handling advances over the series.

And assuming that no further cheating is identified, or undertaken.

All of which are unreasonable assumptions, based on the record thus far.

Has Grant Dalton ever won anything meaningful? Like ever?

And if not, is there any reason to start now?

I think Grant Daltons nemesis was always Peter Blake.

Now that Peter is gone.... I think its fair to say Grant is the only real leader left in NZ sailing that could pull off putting a campaign together including asking for millions of \$\$ in sponsorship.

Let's not sh1tbag him now.... these guys might yet win 9-nil.

As our wakanui prooves more than competitive, Its not past Orca credence for Jimmy to be given the order to collide OTUSA , to institute dangerous luffing duels with us with clear intent to default our team, given they have another race ready boat in their shed..................
And just to get technical, the AC races commence 0-0, The 2race penalty Orca has been issued with is the retraction of opportunity to record either of its (if any) first two race wins. It needs 11 wins in a 17 race programme.

For the naysayer who continue to bleat on about the AC been a rich mans sport well, be that as it may, but the technological advances that will emanate from it could benefit us all. (Perhaps in a similar way space exploration brought great advances in new materials which have changed our lives). The difference here, is that these developments are been funded primarily by private enterprise and not Governments

As Eleanor Roosevelt once said: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people"

Coutts will stop at nothing to win this thing.
Oracle needs to be measured before every race