Interesting read but got the feeling from a pure laymans perspective that Dr Campbell took a rather long winded way of saying she thought Mr Rings prediction was too loose to be relevant.
Unfortunately this debate could be equally applied to the scientific communities debate on the ETScam the result of which is costing us terribly when misused by politicians et al.
Again from a laymans point of view could Dr Campbell please explain (quote - "But the Moon is still in its usual place, the planets haven’t changed their courses") how I see the tide outside going up and down with seeming regularity ...some high some low.

@ Pete: where you see 'longwinded' I see 'thorough'.

Again from a laymans point of view could Dr Campbell please explain...

Seriously? Allow me: it means the position the moon and planets *will* be has always been known and has not changed. (Yet the prediction has changed. Hence the question - what's up with that?)

Are there earthquakes every 6.5 hours or so - like the tides?

No.

http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html

Unless by '6.5 hours or so' you' mean a Ken-Ring-like 6.5 hours plus or minus 6.5 hours.

....about as accurrate and as consistent to the "consensus" as the IPCC / NIWA / East Anglias corruption...sorry....view on Global Warming?

If the scientists had any substance we would all ignore the moon man.

The problem is they haven't any substance.
In regard to the Christchurch earthquakes. They haven't a clue if the recent earthquakes are after shocks or new earthquakes. They are divided on whether the fault line near the Port Hills that caused last weeks shake is a new fault or not.

Scientists are like economists - they are all fluff and work historically - ie reactive

So no bloody use to anyone if you are living in an active quake zone. At least the moon man gives you something to think about and he is easier to understand.

Of the 16,650 earthquakes over 4.0 magnitude in NZ since 1960, I have predicted 8,325 of those earthquakes over the last 50 years.

My future predictions for Christchurch are:
1. There will be another earthquake on 20th March.
2. There will not be another earhquake on 20th March.

If you would like to know if an earthquake is due in your town tomorrow, send money now. I will guarantee to refund your money if I don't have a 50% success rate.

Hey anon,

Science produces outcomes, they're called knowledge.

If your rant is actualy about job performance evalulation then a) you must be great at parties and b) you might want to read about the PBRF: http://www.tec.govt.nz/Funding/Fund-finder/Performance-Based-Research-Fund-PBRF-/

Scientists always try to discredit chellenging paradigms, while at the same time being seemingly immune themselves. Was it 'scientists' of the time who thought that the world was flat? And it was the medical scientists of the time who took a lot of convincing that washing hands and sterilising instruments might reduce the infection rate for surgery! And I do think that it was computer scientists and the assopciated IT industry who made billions from the rest of us over the Y2K scam. And wasn't it scientists who had the world scarted witless over the Bird Flu pandemic - meantime the Pharmaceutical companies made billions. People like Ken Ring do push the envelope and challenge the mainstream thinking. They will always be shot down by those who have an alternate agenda.

But "climate science" is settled. What are you saying? that "climate science" is not science?
Is it "climastrology"?

Global Warming...er I mean Climate Change...er...look I've been on hols so help me out as otherwise I'll lose my research funding...are we in the middle of a warm period or about to enter an ice age this week,

“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

“When we’re finished, you’ll wish you had the rights of a tree.”
~ Maurice Strong on the Earth Charter view on human rights

“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
- Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies
“The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are.”
- Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

“Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
- Professor Maurice King

“We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of acres of presently settled land.”
- David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

“Complex technology of any sort is an assault on human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to
discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
- Amory Lovins, Rocky Mountain Institute

“The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
- Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

“Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
- Prof Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University

“Our insatiable drive to rummage deep beneath the surface of the earth is a willful expansion
of our dysfunctional civilization into Nature.”
- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
– Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake,
use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
- Maurice Strong, Rio Earth Summit

“All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and
behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“Mankind is the most dangerous, destructive, selfish and unethical animal on the earth.”
- Michael Fox, vice-president of The Humane Society

“Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor.”
- Sir James Lovelock, Healing Gaia

“The Earth has cancer and the cancer is Man.”
- Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells, the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
- Prof. Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

“A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.”
- United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment
“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
- Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor

“… the resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.”
- Club of Rome, Goals for Mankind

“One America burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say in order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.”
- Jacques Cousteau, UNESCO Courier

“I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
- John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

“The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.”
- Christopher Manes, Earth First!

“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
- David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
- Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
- Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
- Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
-Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

“The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. It is also our greatest opportunity to lift Global Consciousness to a higher level.”
- Al Gore, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize
“The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people
with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
- emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.”
- David Rockefeller, Club of Rome executive manager

“Humanity is sitting on a time bomb. If the vast majority of the world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send out entire planet’s climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced – a catastrophe of our own making.”
- Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth

“By the end of this century, climate change will reduce the human population to a few breeding pairs surviving near the Arctic.”
- Sir James Lovelock, Revenge of Gaia

“Climate Change will result in a catastrophic, global sea level rise of seven meters. That’s bye-bye most of Bangladesh, Netherlands, Florida and would make London the new Atlantis.”
- Greenpeace International

“Climate change is real. Not only is it real, it’s here, and its effects are giving rise to a frighteningly new global phenomenon – the man-made natural disaster.”
- Barack Obama, US Presidential Candidate

“We are close to a time when all of humankind will envision a global agenda that encompasses a kind of Global Marshall Plan to address the causes of poverty and suffering and environmental destruction all over the earth.”
- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years from today it will probably be too late.”
- Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“The concept of national sovereignty has been immutable, indeed a sacred principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation.”
- UN Commission on Global Governance report

“Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution

“In my view, after fifty years of service in the United National system, I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present political and economic systems are no longer appropriate and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet. We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways.”
- Dr. Robert Muller, UN Assistant Secretary General

“Nations are in effect ceding portions of their sovereignty to the international community and beginning to create a new system of international environmental governance as a means of solving otherwise unmanageable crises.”
- Lester Brown, WorldWatch Institute

“A keen and anxious awareness is evolving to suggest that fundamental changes will have to take place in the world order and its power structures, in the distribution of wealth and income.” (from whom to whom?)
- Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point

“Adopting a central organizing principle means embarking on an all-out effort to use every policy and program, every law and institution, to halt the destruction of the environment.”
- Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

“Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced – a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.”
- UN Agenda 21

GAIA’S NEO-MALTHUSIANS: SOME DEPOPULATION QUOTES…
________________________________________
“Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind”
Theodore Roosevelt

“Malthus has been vindicated; reality is finally catching up with Malthus. The Third World is overpopulated, it’s an economic mess, and there’s no way they could get out of it with this fast-growing population. Our philosophy is: back to the village.”
Dr. Arne Schiotz, World Wildlife Fund Director of Conservation, stated such, ironically, in 1984:

“A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine

“There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….”
“Our program in El Salvador didn’t work. The infrastructure was not there to support it. There were just too goddamned many people…. To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females….” “The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death….”
Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap of mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider – Founder and Secretary, respectively, The Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, pgs 104-105, 1991

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people…. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.”
Stanford Professor ” Paul Ehrlich in The Population Bomb

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it.”
J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

“I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth Today” and,
“We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox.”
Dave Foreman, Sierra Club and co founder of Earth First!

“We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”
Mikhail Gorbachev

“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Dr. Henry Kissinger New York Times, Oct. 28, 1973

“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries”.
Dr. Henry Kissinger

“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac,” and
“The elderly are useless eaters”
Dr. Henry Kissinger

“World population needs to be decreased by 50%”
Dr. Henry Kissinger

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
David Rockefeller

“War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. We’ve got airborne diseases with 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. You know, the bird flu’s good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine”
Dr. Eric Pianka University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert, showed solutions for reducing the world’s population to an audience on population control which gave him a standing ovation

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”
David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

“The present vast overpopulation, now far beyond the world carrying capacity, cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary.”
Initiative for the United Nations ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER

“In South America, the government of Peru goes door to door pressuring women to be sterilized and they are funded by American tax dollars to do this.”
Mark Earley in The Wrong Kind of Party Christian Post 10/27 2008

“Women in the Netherlands who are deemed by the state to be unfit mothers should be sentenced to take contraception for a prescribed period of two years.”
Marjo Van Dijken (author of the bill in the Netherlands) in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/04/humanrights-women

“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”
Anonymously commissioned: Georgia Guidestones Monument, Georgia, USA

“Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

“The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.”
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

“The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”
Obama’s Science czar John P. Holdren: From a book he helped write ‘Ecoscience’

http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

http://green-agenda.com/index.html

“The earth is literally our mother, not only because we depend on her for nurture and shelter but even more because the human species has been shaped by her in the womb of evolution. Our salvation depends upon our ability to create a religion of nature.”
- Rene Dubos, board member Planetary Citizens.

Farmer B was using irony geezer!

You, being "so called expert", talk too much and achieve practically nothing really important. At least Ken RING did a right prediction, obviously all of you on the NZ Public Employment wanted and did "discredit" him.
Now, look at what is the consequence of ignorance!

This the DIFFERENCE between Success and Failure...admit imperfection and learn your own knowledge.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/national/lunar-pull-may-be-causing-earthquakes-astronomer/304475

I note that scientists in other parts of the world are looking at this very question. Why are our scientists taking such a defensive stance?

Real scientists know that their knowledge is at best, sketchy. History shows that the worst and most arrogant "scientists" are those who attack anyone with a different approach. This human aspect also manifests itself in the medicl field, and is well documented.

Interesting to note that March 20th is the date of the vernal/spring equinox in the northern hemisphere. In Jewish tradition it is also the feast of Purim.

I wonder if Ken Ring has some kind of religious-Pagan- Magian-mystic Christian bent that we are unaware of? The full moon precedes the equinox by a day.

Also interesting to note that we had a elderly Christian in the States predict the 'rapture' occurring on the 21st of May - date on the ancient sun god festival of Apollo known as the Thargelia.

Could a lot of this be pre-cursor fear stoking in the build up to the ultimate bogeyman of the current 'end-time' fad - 2012?

I don't agree with the way Campbell hijacked Ring in his interview but I do agree that there has been far too much fear mongering.

The take home message from the Christchurch earthquake should preferably be not to live your life in anticipation of fear, due to a need to believe that you can know something so random is coming, but to accept that any day on earth could be your last for any number of reasons and that it is inescapable fact that there will be a last day for all of us.

Knowing this, make every day you have count, make it worthwhile. But, certainly, don't spend it cowering in fear, because that is a day wasted.

Have just read Ken Ring's site. He says " However, as we have said, it could be anywhere in NZ, or it may not even happen at all."

It's twice as good a prediction than Mac 1:14 up there. Ken's chances of being correct are 100%.

I live at Tira Ora Estate, in the Pelorus Sound of New Zealand...my humble opinion the future earthquake prediction is quite certain due to the frequency of aftershocks. I think it would be wise to leave the area until the land stabilizes. When one is ice-skating and the ice begins to crack...a sensible person would leave the ice, and get to safety. Last Point: We live outdoors more than indoors, on a 550 acre property, with mountains that shelter our bay. Weather extremes were experienced Tira ORA on the day of Christchurch's Earthquake... Very high tides that we expect with the full moon, rose to flood our Mermaid Cafe, dance floor and picnic area. We will be stowing things away in anticipation of powerful weather, and strengthening earthquakes.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz yawn zzzzzzzzzz

Even you find reading the long comment or essay pretty boring too....

Well actually, in regard to the claim that the moon is still in the same place etc, etc.
No it's not. The difference between the apopgee and perigee of the moon is around 50,000kms. The perigee in the 20th of March sees the moon at a distance of 352K kms as against the apogee of around 404K kms. Seems to me there is indeed some reason to expect a stronger gravitational pull as will be the king tides that we know will occur.

You say the moon,planets etc is in the same place? I think you are wrong.

I am looking a it like this, I have read and read varying types of information from Ken Ring to the scientific. I think that as a Cantabrian I have the right to feel how I want about all of the predictions etc. I am taking what Ken Ring is saying as a warning rather than a prediction. I will be staying in my own home, not fleeing, but purely because I know my own home best!! If we are in complete black-out like we have been before I can find my way around etc I have up-dated my emergency survival supplies and equipment.... not just because some-one has told ME that there could be another scary earthquake, but because it is something that I should have done along time ago. No-one got all strung out when Peter Elliot stood on the TV's infront of us warning us to BE PREPARED, years before these quakes. Ken Ring ( and his followers) seems to acknowledge that he has sceptics and dis-believers, but every web site where the opposing theories (Moon man VS GNS scientists) appears, I can't get over how cruel and nasty the supposed scientists become. So I'll be prepared, have enough water and food for up to 4 days for myself and my family, because I have my own theory..... I am a MUM of some freked out and vulnerable kids right now, so it is my job to protect them and be as ready as I can be in case we are in the direct line of mother nature!!! God Bless ChCh and all my fellow Cantabrians xoxoxoxo

Well 5.1 stirred a few of us out of our beds or off the pc as the case may be. March 20 2011 just before 10pm....Ken Ring truth or fiction? Lets not lose sight of the fact we are living this nightmare and it's not over yet!

For gods sake, did you try and quote the entire known world in that post?
TLDR - In case you are unaware, that stands for Too Long, Didn't Read.