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READERS SAY: Reaction to the South Canterbury meltdown

South Canterbury Finance chief executive Sandy Maier has taken the brunt of vitriol in public comments following the announcement of New Zealand’s biggest company failure this morning along with founder and major shareholder Allan Hubbard.

Comments posted on NBR’s website today point the finger squarely at Mr Maier’s handling of South Canterbury’s woes, which this morning resulted in the company’s inability to find fresh funds leading to receivers being called in.

In addition, Mr Hubbard is taking flack, but also receiving a great deal of support from readers, many of whom condemn the move to put his affairs into statutory management in March.

Gee Whizz wrote: “This hasn’t happened overnight, or throughout the time the SFO has been involved in the Hubbards other interests. This has been going for almost two years year. I appreciate that people may be hurt by what has happened and that their beloved Mr Hubbard has come under scrutiny, however, it was very strongly deserved and in all reality should be been done some 12-24 moths ago.”

“Sandy and the board of SCF have added no value over the last nine months after being appointed. All they have been is one big cost,” one reader wrote.

“Sandy is the winner. He fleeced the government in the wind up of DFC and now he’ll get another gig. Selling the company would not help him because he would be out on his bum.”

Others suggested Mr Maier had already planned his future prior to this morning’s announcement.

“One would hope that Sandy Maier does not get a bonus or is paid out his contract after such non-performance. Maybe he has already sorted that out before pulling the plug.”

Another said: “What a poor effort from Sandy Maier after so much hype over the past few weeks. Goodbye Sandy – please retire this time and do the country a favour.”

One questioned Mr Maier’s ability to solve South Canterbury’s problems.

“Obviously Sandy Maier can’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He had five parties at the table and lost them all. Surely they were credible bidders with credible offers. Sandy hopefully didn’t lead them up the proverbial garden path and lost them.”

However, another reader was more charitable.

“To be fair to Sandy, the damage was done prior to his arrival. Let’s face it, you can no collect a bad lend or extract face value from it. This damage has been caused by a series of blunders two years plus ago where greedy managers were getting paid on asset growth with poor governance to manage the risk side because of antiquated processes.”

More forward looking was this: “The losers are the many business and individuals with loans that are not in arrears who will now have pressure on them to repay and they will live in fear of receiving a demand for repayment for the next period. Their business and personal lives will suffer as will the local economy. They can’t be considered greedy like the investors have been – they are just normal people living normal lives.

“They were hoping that Sandy Maier and his board would not let them down.”

None Investor questions where financial advisor sit on this.

“Please can someone answer this, I understand a lot of money went into SCF and other finance companies on the advice of financial advisors. They, in return, got a very good fee for this. Where is the come back on this advice?”

In reaction to a statement put out by Mr Hubbard today claimed he could have saved South Canterbury if he wasn’t subject to statutory management, a reader said that he must accept the blame.

“It’s a bit rich to be attacking the government Mr Hubbard. After all SCF lobbied very hard for government guarantees and a further extension. As a taxpayer I do not think it is their role to prop up your organisation’s operations. You should be grateful of the taxpayers who are now footing the bills of your company’s errors. Mr Hubbard, I suggest you keep your head down and retain your dignity.”

More anonymous comment suggested South Canterbury was science fiction.

“Close Encounters of the Third Kind. First statutory managers, then SFO, now receivers. Allan Hubbard thinks he is Bruce Almighty – probably closer to Aice in Wonderland, For taxpayers, it is Alien v Predators.”

Comments and questions
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Where was the good news Sandy was promising? Can the Receiver claw back his fees?

Let's face it the person to blame for this was Lauchie McCloud he's the one who directed SCF to invest in property development, if you want to someone to blame, blame him, and maybe the board for allowing him to move the company into this area.

Sandy was just left to try to pick up the pieces, but it was always going to be an uphill struggle.

No one should underestimate how difficult a task Sandy Maier had. It would almost be certain that the eventual loss here would have been mind boggling if it wasn't for his abilituy to get this out of control entity into some semblance of order. Credit where credit is due.
Mayhem would have prevailed if this receivership had occured at the time Sandy came into SCF.
Easy to dump on Maier but if taxpayers reflect on the situation, he will be acknowledged for the great job he has done. Of course, he didn't raise SCF from the ashes but he gave the fire a good blast.

So all the knockers of Sandy Mier beleive he let them down or didn't do his job and by such criticism would have readers believe they could have done better or had the answers.
What absolute nonsense.
I would suggest that those making the most noise and being critical would not have any idea of the magnitude of the problems facing Mr Maier when he accepted the job nor any understanding of just how much work went on behind the scene in his endevours to achieve the best result for all involved.

I am not sure why the knockers are so quick to fire off a broad shot when it is plainly obvious that they do not have access to all the facts.

There is a saying that goes something like this.
When you know very little about a matter it is wise to keep ones mouth shut, then people may only think you are idiot. Open it and you risk removing such doubt.

I see Mr Hubbard is quoted as saying he could have saved SCF. It will be interesting to learn at some time how he would have done it.

Just watch the vultures to swoop in, now. This is the moment that George Kerr (of the well-heeled old Ch-ch Pyne dynasty) has been waiting for.

It is quite wrong to castigate Sandy Maier for failing in his attempt to save South Canterbury Finance. Had a Statutory Manager been put in earlier on Sandy with his experience as Statutory Manager for DFC some years ago would have been the logical choice. Those to blame are the ones who lent and approved large loans to property developers such that the exposure of the loan book to these people was so excessively high, risky and in many cases to questionable entepreneurs that it dragged the quality lending down. Sandy was there to clean up the mess. Don't blame him, he didn't create it.

Lauchie Mccloud is to blame for growing the property book by 100's of millions when everyone else was bailing out. If he didn't do this they would not have these huge bad debt problems.
If only Sandy didn't keep misleading the market and saying they were "breaking even" - *cough* Bull!@T *cough*

No question Lachie McLeod is the man who should be in the gun for this (along with Alan Hubbard for not being more careful about watching what was going on)

Sandy Maier, from what has come out since he took control, never had a hope. And he could hardly spend his time saying the company was going broke even if he knew it was.

Is there any figures out in regards where SCF's exposure is? I suspect dodgy dairy farming lending is as much the cause of this as is property development.

Certainly if there is related party lending(related not only to AH but also to executives past and present) then that needs to be specifically exposed.

It is a reality of life that any sudden major loss of confidence by investors, for whatever reason, will create problems for a or all banks/finance companies. In such circumstances, if a Bank/finance company fails, management is to blame only to the extent they have been imprudent in their lending and the level of cash reserves they have held against such eventualities.[ Banks are safer because they are more closely regulated and are usually bailed out by their Govenments.] Non -banks (finance companies) are more risky in that they are less closely supervised and are less likely to be bailed out. Hence they pay higher rate of interest to compensate for the added risk. Depositors should look look at interest rates being offered against the risks involved. In SCFs case, in my view, Maier is certainly blameless. To what extent Hubbard and the SCF management are to blame is difficult to ascertain on the information so far publicly available.

To all those bleaters that can't get with the Government Guarantee Scheme, they need to understand that this scheme was put in place by the last Labour Government and supported by this government for VERY good reasons. If this scheme had not been put in place when it was we could have had banks collapsing, as happened in many other countries in 2008.

The final SCF cost once assets are realised and returned to the Crown are likely to be considerably less than $400.00 per person that everyone is on about. If the Government did not have this scheme and not payed out the guarantee the actual cost to the NZ economy and tax payers would be considerably more than the cost of the payout. This cost would have been NZ wide.

For the upset Jafa’s please consider that SCF is not a just a South Island investment company, it is a NZ wide and has offices in all major cities, in fact 40% of investors are North Island based.

The SCF pay out cost needs to in perspective with other government costs. Consider the 90K per year that we as tax payers fork out for each and every prisoner on our jails, is that value for money? What about the $2,000,000 paid every 24 hours to NZ beneficiaries!

In real terms the SCF payout is insignificant when compared to the economic cost of not paying out, or compared to other government costs that as tax payers we all contribute to.

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