Six reasons to be worried about the Treaty
HIDESIGHT
It’s said that laws are like sausages: it’s better not to see them being made.
Certainly, it’s often not pretty.
But the law-making process looks like a textbook compared to settling Treaty of Waitangi claims.
First up, we have a government department, the Office of Treaty Settlements. That’s choc-a-bloc with bone-carving worthy types on a taxpayer-paid mission to fix history.
I tried in my brief time in Parliament to figure out how a government department can ever correct history but never got to the bottom of it.
Somehow, having the taxpayer fork over resources and cash to selected groups today amends for bad things that happened six, seven or eight generations ago.
No one has ever explained to me how that could ever do so.
Not real negotiators
Second, we have the Crown-appointed negotiators. Some are ex-MPs. Others are consultants. They are not real negotiators and they are not negotiating with their own money.
They have no skin in the game. Their job is simply to get agreement.
I well remember settlement negotiator Sir Douglas Graham coming to see me.
He sounded me out about giving a collective of 13 iwi and hapu an ownership interest and control of the Waitemata and Manukau Harbours.
I suggested that would also mean an interest and control of the catchment. He agreed that it would. I pointed out that would mean an interest and control all of Auckland.
Sir Douglas suggested to me that was fair and just and that we were no longer living in 1900 when a few trinkets and whatnot would satisfy the natives.
I suggested in return that I was busy sorting out the mess of Auckland’s governance and didn’t need him busy making it worse. That is where we left it.
No doubt some weird and wonderful co-governance model will soon rear its head for Auckland.
Third, we have the minister. His job is to sell the deals to Cabinet.
Only MPs who believed in the process would bother with it. And the great majority do believe in the state’s power not just to fix society but to tidy up history, too.
Fourth, we have Cabinet. It set the mandate for the negotiators but it is invariably loose and leaves the negotiators with wide latitude. As money has tightened seats on councils, co-governance and co-management get tossed into the mix without much thought.
Little scrutiny or debate
The governance of natural resources and local bodies gets rewritten through negotiations without any public debate or scrutiny.
It is actually done behind closed doors, in secret.
The negotiations themselves are driving an extraordinary constitutional adventurism, the likes of what we have never before seen. It is being done outside of any policy framework and with no regard to where it is all going to end up.
Negotiations end up as a fait accompli for the government. It can’t renegotiate what the negotiators agree. That would be bad faith.
Fifth, legislation is drafted to give the settlement effect. Much shonkiness now occurs.
The agreement itself leaves wide legislative leeway and the detail has considerable consequence.
The government is cornered by the legislative process as the drafters explain that that is what they agreed to.
Sixth, we have the parliamentary process. It’s a joke.
There is no opportunity for the legislation to fail or to be amended because the deal has been done amid much wailing and pomp and ceremony.
The machinations and decision-making is done through the negotiations and through the bureaucracy. There is no sunlight.
The settlement goes to the Maori Affairs select committee where the overwhelming majority of members are Maori and all support the settlement process and want it as generous as possible.
That is the opportunity for public input and scrutiny. Good luck with that.
You can’t see Treaty claims being settled. It’s just as well. Seeing the result is bad enough.
























Comments and questions39
Agreed, this is the general feeling of the majority, however nowadays in the interests of political correctness and so called race relations ( AND LOOK HOW WELL THATS DOING!) minority rulz.
Excellent quote Rodney, a familiar one to myself. Have you also been reading some of Bill Clinton's literature? Very good reading.
What you have described is simply gross corruption.
I think a large segment of the population is now totally sickened by it.
Stick to being a loud mouthed overly opininated right wing fascist.Its about all that you are really good at. This is emotive rabble rousing twaddle aimed at getting other right wingers and bigots sweaty and worked up.
These tactics failed for you in the house and they wont work now.
How about putting your name to this nonsense so you will be recognised for what you are.
The only one sweaty and worked up is you. Clearly.
actually rodders, I like most people who didnt vote for you or that demented party you belonged to are quietly laughing. You do realise that that this knee jerk reactionary rubbish you've written will stick around for a very long time.
No, you are too bitter and racially-entitled to be laughing - quietly or otherwise. Instead you bring discredit on your own cause with a string of silly, intemperate, irrelevant insults - none of which do anything but reveal your own character.
So, let's be clear, you have so little certainty about your own ideas and values that you need "most people" agreeing with you to give you certainty. reality and truth have never ever been established based on what most people or everybody think. Now, please start being your own man. Think for yourself, be proud of the values hold and, most of all, stop hiding.
Agreed, obviously lacks the brass but quick to start a good cyber bully. Grow up and say something constructive.
I see you're all wearing white pillow cases and blindly following the gnome with the fake tan... Good luck with that one
I think we all know what race he belongs to
Yes, I think we do. White, bleeding, liberal with public sector job and votes Green.
Good intelligent argument anonymous. That convinced me. Or maybe it really is time for NZ to grow up and stop flagellating itself because of apparent misdeeds of 170 years ago which doesnt help nz move into the future and which actually holds maori back because they get told nothing is their because its always the white mans fault.
The treaty process isnt perfect as rodney quite rightly points out. But it has been a good starting point. Adding rigour wouldnt hurt nor would adressing issues such as the underlying racism displayed here or the fact that urban maori have been left out.
Im quietly shocked that anyone daring to disagree with hyde is being labelled a greenie public sector worker. I suspect these people are from a wide range of backgrounds and their opinions are as valid as the right wing table thumpers that seem to be dominating comments on here.
It is a sad enditement on the current state of nz that such ill informed views are supported with such vitriol. Take a good long hard look at yourselves.
By the way I voted for act but wont be ever again if hyde maintains any affiliation with the party.
In case you forgot anon...this is the National Business Review...a label many would proudly wear being called "right wing table thumpers" or otherwise known as entrepreneurs paying taxes and supporting damned near the largest ratio of beneficiaries and government parasites on the planet it seems. Why is it cringing liberalism is usually done on someone elses sweat and dollar?
So people can't read NBR for the news? It's consistently the best quality news writing in New Zealand, particularly on matters of business, politics, law, etc: so even though I'm a pinko bleeding heart leftie (not liberal, I believe in state interventions) I read NBR before I read the nonsense on Stuff or in the NZ Herald.
Don't be pathetically absurd. The vitriol in this thread came only from one side, and it wasn't Rodney''s.
Likewise the underlying racism comes from those who propose race-based laws, not those who oppose them. You need to take a good hard look at your own illogic.
Another good column,Rodney.
Certainly this,and the previous, Government have provided you with enough ammunition to keep writing for the next 10? years.
Coming back to your subject,it's time the gravy train pulled into the station and was dismantled.
liberte
What about the Big City set-up? Justas bad as the Treaty for rorting taxpayers and Auckland citizens.
It's not even close. Besides, what are the rorts of which you speak?
And two quick points: (1) rorts at Auckland Council can be exposed and prosecuted. They're systemic and part and parcel of the Treaty settlement process; and,
(2) The Auckland Council is subject to democratic control -- the Treaty settlement process is not.
I can bring up other examples but let's start with the first rort :
Please explain how the non-elected Maori representatives get paid millions each year and are still there?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10705020
M Ross you are quite correct and this scandal is but one of many the victims of council bureaucrats can point to. In my case its the council and Auckland Transport role in stealing land under public works with the issue of fair compensation being joke of the century (no one who endures the process has a good word to say about it), however in Mr Hides defence I think he got derailed in doing a proper job on place and we may never know what might have been so I label the project he embarked on as only half done. Or am I being too charitable on this issue?
Fair cop. The Maori Statutory Board is a rort. I said so at the time. That was a National-Maori party initiative that I strenuously opposed.
It could have been worse. National and the Maori Party both wanted reserved Maori seats on the Auckland Council.
yes because the world begins and ends in Auckland.. sheesh
Anonymous of Response #3: what cogent arguments can you submit to this process, or are you limited to subjective over-reactive expletives to try to get your point across? You are like Nikita Kruschev who intimidated the UN by bringing a spare shoe in a paper bag into the assembly and then by shouting loudly and banging the table with his shoe, he bullied and intimidated the assembly into compliance with the wishes of the communist state. But he added more heat than light to the argument. To the peril of us all.
Nice response Anonymous2, except I think Rodney with his long track record of table banging and political opportunism is definitely more like the russian premiere.
I liked the way you even managed to use multi syllable words to support Hydes racist rantings
Maori do not realise how they are alienating their people. all these claims are creating a racist society, I grew up with Maori freinds feeling as equals, but feel ashamed of my current thoughts towards Maori. These thoughts are provoked by these stupid claims. I wish i could overlook what is going on, but it is horrendous and will create much racisim in the future just as any affirmative action does.
@common sense. I feel ashamed reading this twaddle. NZ should be proud of its race relations. Yes I agree it is not perfect but Rodney's racist rantings are not helping matters any.
Clearly there is need for informed emotive debate. That will most likely never happen in this den of right wing reactionary cave dwellers. Guess Rodders has found his niche with the NBR eh?
There is a need for informed UNemotive debate, but we arent going get that with people like you around. Obviously people who dont agree with you should just shutup and pay their taxes and bend over further. Go wave at another plane leaving of people, including maori, who have had enough.
yes because we can all generalise about a race of people based on the sad and misinformed writing of one over the hill sad-act. How about common sense you exercise some of your so called alias and check out the real world instead of living on this bigoted publications paradise?
Hi "common sense".
Please, I have a question for you, How many of those maori you "grew up with as friends" have received anything from the "Treaty Settlements" and, if they have, how much have they received?
Cheers
John Morrison.
The government has no money. Every dollar that the government pays to Maori in settlements is taken from the tax payers of New Zealand. So what Maori are wanting to do is take money out of the pockets from every tax paying New Zealander today to right the wrongs committed by people over a century ago.
But it gets worse, the very money that gets taken from tax paying New Zealanders get put into Maori Trusts, many of which operate with tax exempt status. So the $10million's gets invested for profit by Maori trusts who have removed themselves from the tax paying base.
I think it should be fair that if all tax payers are having to fund the Treaty process, Maori trusts should have to pay tax like the rest of us. One law for all.
If you cant get an operation because there is no money, you might be able to pay a tohunga to help you out.
Like every article you write Rodney, your Liberal views are clearly without the foundation of truth.
Well refute his arguments fool. While you are at it, please explain why you dont believe in equal rights and that there should be (at least) two classes of New Zealander - maori and tauiwi - simply based on some gene sequences in their blood. How much "pure" blood should someone need to claim membership of the maori class. nb are you a Green voter
Onetrack No he isnt a green voter - are you a reptile?
Good on ya Rodders!
Reverse racism by any other name is still racism. Be interested to see what might happen should a complaint be laid with the Race Relations Commissioner about these treaty settlements being based solely on ethnicity – when clearly NZ in 2012 is a multi-cultural society, where NZ has laws to prevent racism by ethnicity.
Heading down the path of creating two type’s of Kiwi’s based on ethnicity – Maori and everyone else - is nothing less than a form of apartheid – and if this “separation” was to be used to target Maori for say innocent children’s death’s, over representation in prisons, crime stats, unemployment etc – instead of treaty hand-outs – all hell would break loose – and rightly so too.
So why is the inverse not racist?
Or perhaps the bigger question should be – how will these reverse apartheid policies and settlements to Maori elite help bring NZ together?
Well said Solidarity.
We can thank the National Government for this current mess. They foolishly did what the Labour Goverment wisely refused to do and signed the UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights opening one very big can of ravenous Tiriti worms .
So thanks for nothing to all those who voted to re-elect this racist Government including the good, gullible people of Epsom.
Every settlement dollar is a dollar taken out of circulation; no tax take received; a dollar less for infrastructure; a dollar less for Health care; a dollar less for education. As a payer of pay-roll tax; provisional tax; terminal tax; ACC 'tax'; personal tax; GST tax; health insurance (because the public system is not the optimal provider), I am apalled that the country as a whole are not more vocal on this absolute rort. Don't try to dress up or legitimise any of this racist / aperteid rubbish. It is time for Kiwis to stand up and 'say it like it is' without fear of being called racist by the very people who are in fact racist. Some of the comments above are proof of the weak-wristed, spineless, PC nonsense that has crept into the mindset of this country over the last 10-15 years. Maori are now exploiting the 'honky' (and their own 'race') weakness to the Nth degree. I am 'over' having my tax dollar handed out to appease every fanciful and B**S**t claim that the 'elite' Maori come up with. Those of you with weak wrists and no back bone will call this comment emotive and without fact....... to you I say; wake up ..you are getting screwed over and you do not have the intelligence to recognise that fact and it is a fact!