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Tame Iti’s guns and bombs Plan B

One of the enduring mysteries of the Urewera affair is why jailed gun criminal Tame Iti wanted a violent, para-military Plan B.

Hordes of defence lawyers – largely on taxpayer-funded legal aid – did nothing to dispel why Iti saw it necessary to have a Plan B at all, and devoted so much time and money to develop some sort of military capability.

It was a question Justice Rodney Hansen dearly wanted answered when he jailed Iti and his gun crime crony, Rangi “ the lieutenant” Kemara, for two and a half years this week.

Justice Hansen spoke for many law-abiding folk.

But an answer never came.

A lot of time and money, careful planning and premeditation went into developing Plan B.

It was a serious plan, involving military-style training exercises over a long time with a number of illegally-held firearms and other illegal weapons such as Molotov cocktails.

According to Iti, Plan B would be adopted if Plan A - peaceful negotiation with the government by Tuhoe to get what Tuhoe wants – failed.

Iti described his group as a revolutionary military wing of Aotearoa and referred to training to smash the system.

Kemara spoke of training to kill “because we will probably have to”.

These were no idle boasts.

Urs Signer, who, along with convicted partner Emily Bailey, is expected to be sentenced in June to nine months' home detention for Urewera gun crime, detailed exercises which involved eliminating a guard and blowing up a building and kidnapping.

Signer listed ingredients of a Molotov cocktail – a petrol bomb.

Justice Hansen said testimonials to Signer’s “peace-loving character” were impossible to reconcile with the man who was engaged with others in learning how to use Molotov cocktails and who authored training scenarios which at least simulated violence to people and property.

“It is another of the contradictions of this case which I am at a loss to explain.” 

Justice Hansen was clear that a private militia was being established.

“Whatever the justification,” he said, “that is a frightening prospect in our society, undermining of our democratic institutions and anathema to our way of life.”

At least one person involved in Iti’s military camps held extreme anarchist views, while another spoke of experimenting with an explosive device capable of killing people if thrown into a room.

Justice Hansen made the point that a crime committed in pursuit of a noble ideal is as much a crime as a criminal act done for a base motive.

The end does not justify the means.

He also made it crystal clear that any damage done to the local community as a result of the police operation was the responsibility of the prisoners and “should not divert attention from the unlawful activities which necessitated the investigation in the first place”.

The unlawful activities were “the root cause of dissension and consternation which accompanied and followed disclosure both locally and nationally”.

The judge said Iti, Kemara, Signer and Bailey should be held accountable for the harm they had done to the community, and this was reflected in the penalties.

He rejected non-prison alternatives suggested by defence lawyers as “simply inadequate to reflect the gravity of the offending”.

“It is my responsibility to convey in unambiguous terms society’s rejection of the possession and use of firearms and other weapons, other than for legitimate purposes, and to put paid to any notion that their use can be excuses if the cause is right,” Justice Hansen said.

Comments and questions
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The judge was clearly sentencing them for the crime on which the jury did not convict and for which the Crown abandoned a re-trial.

On that basis a successful appeal would seem likely.

Not surprising to see you commenting here again, Mr Wilkinson. Like your last prediction you are way off the mark expecting a successful appeal. Enough money has been frittered on this clear-cut case already. Obviously, the jurors who failed to make a decision were under immense duress and in all likelihood they feared for their personal safety. Fortunately, the racially driven violence proposed by these extremists was prevented by police action and the validity of that police action has been confirmed by the wise sentencing these delusional thugs have received. Further legal aid funding should be withheld now that justice has been adequately served; the people of NZ have paid enough already.

You are correct David, please do not be bothered with people who support law breakers. Thankfully they are in the minority.

What a load of hypocrisy on the part of the judge. Its all ok to have arms and use the force of arms to acheive your objectives if you are the state, on his reasoning, but if you are opposed to it, and/or a non-state party, mere possession of arms means you're held to be a threat to society.

Private or community malitias are not a threat to a free society, but are its means of defence, in contrast to a standing army, which has long been held to be a threat to freedom and an invitation to tyranny.

Those charged were convicted of nothing malum in se (as far as I can figure out), only of things that are 'illegal' because they are prohibited by the state.

This case boils down not to whether these people were a threat, or whether they did anything wrong, but to whether society can tolerate the idea that some people have primary loyalties to things other than, or opposed to, the state. It is unthinkable to those who worship the state that some others may oppose the state or the particular state that may be oppressing or seen as opressing them sufficiently deeply to do as the state does: possess the force of arms. Unlike those charged, the state actually regularly uses the force of arms to get whatever it wants, ranging from the critical (to itself), such as fighting potential threats to its sovereignty, to the petty such as enforcing a mind-numbing list of social engineering projects.

What difference does it make whether those charged had anarchist views or 'extreme' anarchist views, and who is the arbiter of such views? Again this reinforces the theme that the reason these people are being charged and punished is nothing to do with not obtaining a licence from the government to possess firearms and everything to do with punishing people for having alternative loyalties. This is the kind of thing that happens in America in times of conflict or stress to those perceived as enemies, e.g. the ethnic Japanese during WW2.

While your philosophical essay may well in part be true, you fail to address the matter that it is only in this benevolent and as some would describe this limp wristed country that those now convicted are still alive to fritter more taxpayer funds as opposed to so many other countries where they would if not brought out of the bush originally in body bags, would certainly now be in the back of a truck behind the courthouse being prepped as organ donors.

It is not for me, an anarchist, to apologise for the Government taking money of some and giving it to others. That task is performed by statists with a long list of justifications. If you don't like taxation and subsidisation, perhaps you should consider anarchism too.

As for not slaying misfits and agitators and harvesting their organs, I don't think it is fair to portray that as a weakness in our society, and to be fair to you I don't think that's what you're advocating either.

@David Hillary. Excellent points. Perhaps u could explain to Justice. Hansen the meaning of anarchism as he clearly has no knowledge on the subject.
In regards to the other comments they are simply David and john once again spouting uninformed opinion based on media coverage rather than the facts. The real issue that shld be addressed is people being sentenced not for what they are convicted of but on what the judge decided should have been the outcome of the jury trial. Dangerous ground

Hahaha ... the other comments are "uninformed opinion" based on the "mass media" and your comment, which made no factual contribution to the discussion, is informed and based on some kind of secret media? Why would an anarchist expect a judge to make a decision they agreed with? Were you expecting him to declare anarchy?

Your name must be Crimp..
Is it?
Find the resurgence of his kind, your kind , Chow time's kind,Zhongs kind and a judge who bases sentencing on blatantly racist lines for crimes that these defendants WEREN'T convicted of, further proof that NZ is riddled with both judicial, political & corporate media corruption..
THAT incidentally should be 100 times more frightening than the universally feared terrorist technique of bus or cow catapaulting or the theatrics of the Tama Iti's of this land. To my mind people who were merely doing what many Americans have been doing since the revolution.Namely recognising that some in governments of either Red or Blue are not working in their interests or OURS collectively actually..Just their own..
Very very dangerous precedents are being set here now and they trail right back to the real players behind the United State of Authoritarianism & sanctioned terrorism.

Incidentally why aren't Judges or Politicians held accountable by similar codes of conduct & ethical practice the rest of us are held to? Conflicts of interest and the blatantly obvious links to this fiasco and the Megaupload case aren't that hard to see.. NZ still so parochial & so very try hard, but inept at covering it's efforts to be as bent as some places yet thankfully.
I do hope others are also keeping note of it.
There is no domestic terrorism in NZ by the way, only corporate, political & economic terrorism.

A bunch of very unfit malcontents, regressing back to childhood days of playing war games in the bush -- should not have attracted the sentence that it did. This ragtag bunch weren't a real threat to anyone, but themselves. A prison sentence of two months for the two principal protagonists, was called for; not 2.5 years. The judge -- unsurprisingly -- gets it all wrong. Again.

As for the boys in the dock, the medicine might be a bit stiff, but I'm bloody sure I wasn't the poor sod at the wrong end of their kidnapping practice. Imagine you or someone you knew getting pushed into a car by that bunch. Still, the sentence will probably come down a bit I guess.

nek minit tame iti recruits more soilders in jail

a judge rules well aware of the prisoners right to appeal. hes not dumb

what a joke, was the reporter who claimed napalm was used ever held accountable? it's all such a joke like catapulting a cow or bus to kill the prime minister, we are ever heading towards americas paranoid view of society.

talk about IGNORANT ha ha. ha ha funny!!!!!

Amazing how articles like this attract racists and bigots like a moth to a flame. Reading some of the vile comments here, leaves me sick.

Anyone else see a 'problem' with this deliberate bias?'
‎''Judge Hansen in his sentencing comments said that "A private militia was being established".
THAT was NOT established..
One could and in my case DOES infer from this, that the defendants were then being sentenced for a crime they were not actually convicted of.
Since the jury had already rejected such far fetched myths,Hansen comments were rather revelatory..
He was meant to be sentencing on 'firearms charges of a more minor nature than has been implied in the mainstream media, since no-one had been threatened, hurt or perceived to be in any real danger.
So why didn't he?It's a little hard to accept that this was a case where the perception of judicial fairness can be seen.

Hopefully the appeals will reveal more about Hansens motives than those convicted?