Vodafone challenges 2degrees: make our deal public
Soon-to-launch third mobile operator 2degrees has struck a deal with Vodafone that will give it sweet-heart pricing on calls that cross between the two companies’ networks. Vodafone wants the terms of the deal made public. And, contrary to a report this morning, the Commerce Commission is happy for the rates to come out, too.
Mobile termination rates (MTR) are what telephone companies pay each other - or, in 2degrees’ ideal universe, don’t - when calls cross between their networks.
The commission recently released a draft ruling saying that termination rates are set artificially high, reaching similar conclusions to the Telecommunications Users Association, which says inflated MTR adds $250 to $300 per year to the average cellphone user’s bill, and constitute a barrier to new entrants coming into New Zealand’s mobile market.
2degrees has made MTR its signature issue, saying it can’t offer market-busting pricing unless termination rates are regulated down.
Currently, MTR for cellphones is set at around 15 cents per minute for voice calls, and 9 cents per minute for text, with the network that receives the call paying the charge (a set-up that benefits Vodafone as the largest mobile operator. Conversely, it would weigh most heavily on 2degrees, especially during its start up phase as most calls would be incoming).
The commission’s draft ruling - which communications minister Steven Joyce will consider in the New Year after more submissions from all sides - was that MTR rates should be halved.
For some months, Vodafone has said it already has a commercial deal with 2degrees on MTR (and separate deals on domestic roaming and collocation).
Vodafone: show and tell
This morning, it was reported that neither the Commerce Commission, Vodafone or 2degrees wanted the side-deal made public.
But this afternoon, Vodafone external communications manager Paul Brislen said his company definitely wants the deal made public. However, it can’t do so unless 2degrees also agrees.
And Commerce Commission telecommunications branch director Osmond Borthwick told NBR it was his clear understanding that Vodafone now wants the deal made public, and the commission itself has no issue with the terms being revealed. However, 2degrees wants it to remain confidential - which ties the director's hands.
And 2degrees is not about to release Mr Borthwick from his obligation to stay silent on the issue.
“It’s a confidential agreement, and we take the terms of our confidential agreements seriously,” said 2degrees head of corporate communications Bryony Hilless.
While Mr Brislen would not reveal any terms of the MTR deal between Vodafone and 2degrees, Vodafone’s desire to have it made public speaks to it being lower than the 14.5 cents voice/9 cents per text rates that pervade at present.
Telecom: no side-deal with 2degrees
The commission says all telcos have the opportunity to make commercial progress on MTR before the next phase of its review, due in September - and offering 2degrees a better termination deal is definitely one way to try and head-off formal regulation.
However, so far only Vodafone has come to the party.
Telecom media relations executive Ian Bonnar said that “No standalone deal with 2degrees on MTRs is in the offing.”
Vodafone and Telecom are using a number of arguments against regulating MTRs, including the fact that the Commerce Commission can only regulate wholesale termination rates. In Australia, regulated wholesale MTR failed to flow through into retail pricing.
While a set of voluntary deeds that Telecom and Vodafone signed to head off the last attempt at MTR regulation call for a more gentle reduction in termination rates, all savings are guaranteed to be passed on to the public, say the pair.
Vodafone has also been goading 2degrees to release the terms of the pair's domestic roaming agreement (when outside Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch, 2degrees customers will roam - invisibly to them - on Vodafone's network). Again, the implication is that 2degrees is getting a better deal than its frequent complaints would suggest.
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Comments and questions13
Anonymus at 8:02pm is correct - the current MTRs should balance out.
This issue is that high MTRs mean there is little skope for 2degrees to introduce stunningly lower rates
I heard mobile prices can go up when termination rates come down ....... how's this good for us? Will the telcos pass on the rate reductions.......don't be fooled, it'll just be pocketed and we'll all be worse off.
Hurry up and launch 2degrees and stop whinging. Stop pretending you're after a level playing field - you want a leg-up funded by the tax payer and the other telcos. If the numbers don't stack up now then i'd be worried. Come clean with the deal - what are you hiding behind?
I must be missing something here, but I don't see why Two Degrees is so worried about termination rates.
Sure, when they are small most of their customers' calls will be to Telecom and Vodafone, so they will have to pay termination rates. But also most of the calls coming in to their network will be from Telecom and Vodafone and on those calls they will receive termination fees from the other operators.
I can't see why having high rates would make any difference. They pay more on one side but make more on the other.
Chris you say above that termination rates "would weigh most heavily on 2degrees, especially during its start up phase as most calls would be incoming". But if most of their calls are incoming, won't they be making money from termination rates?
We knew this would be the case anyway with their roaming agreement. All Vodafone trying to show they aren't the bad guy and they do not need to be regulated. The only way this would be true is if Telecom also matched the agreement.
Exactly right. Vodafone and Telecom will try and avoid regulation by making out that they are being absolutely reasonable. Anything to protect their duopoly. Telecom have been doing this for years at an enormous cost to the public. They have a cash cow and they will milk this as long as they can, hence the preemption of any regulation.
then why not show us what's in the deal? Come on, 2Degrees - otherwise we can only assume you're whining for the sake of it.
Either you've already got something as good as regulation, in which case we can avoid tens of millions of dollars and months of wrangling, or you haven't, in which case Vodafone's posturing will be of no use to them as we'll see it for what it is.
How about it?
Come on Two Degrees. You've got nothing to lose.
Vodafone PR stunts aside, I'm having real trouble getting excited about a mobile thats swapped CEOs and changed shareholders mere weeks out from their launch date.
If 2 degrees are so reliant on mobile termination rates then I'm REALLY wondering just how crap their business model actually is.
Can they afford to build out their network or will their customers be reliant on Vodafone forever?
Sounds like a lost cause if you ask me
Surely that's the temperature it'll be in hell when these clowns get off the ground?
They want us to believe they can't possibly launch unless termination rates are reduced, yet the Commerce Commission itself says nothing will happen before 2011.
Which begs the question: what do they think they're going to do until then?
Glad I haven't invested in them. If Tex and his African buddies had launched when they said they would, eight years ago, that's another matter. Trying to come in to a market like this so late is pointless. Whining about it to the regulator just isn't going to cut it. Either you've got a business plan or not.
Which is it, Two Degrees?
It didn't actually change shareholders - one of their minor shareholders, Trilogy, actually bought out another share holder - which shows, if anything, more support for the company not less.
I agree that there is still some questions, but I think it is a positive even if it means bringing more talk anout Telcos and mobile termination rates... and from what I've seen, most kiwis are really excited!
Guess we'll have to wait and see!
Who cares! They are offering us free sim cards with 5$ credit to try out their network and their services, and if it doesn't meet expectations then what is the loss?
I think it is great what they are doing, and why not give it a go! I'll hold my cynasism for now, and maybe the rest of NZ should do the same!
That's fabulous value. I will immediately move my entire family because of this credit. It's the silver bullet, the golden handshake, the warm fuzzy I've been waiting for all my life.
If they want customers to take them seriously they'll have to be radically different to the existing offers in the market and a fiver won't cut it.
So 2 degrees got a $5million handout from the government via a Maori Spectrum Trust, they also got regulated access to the networks of their main rivals without having to pay for their own, they claim retail prices in NZ are really high (so lots of profit to be made - right?) and now it turns out Vodafone have given them a sweetheart deal on termination prices. Maybe the time has come for them to stop complaining and just compete for customers? If the slope was any more slanted it would be a ski field.
Lots of BullSh#@t about mobile networks at the moment. Telecom say they have 97% coverage - garbage. My nearest cellsite for Telecom is 100m away from a Vodafone site and I had no 850MHz coverage on Telecom when XT was fired up. An antenna problem!!! No help from Telecom so swapped to Vodafone after being a Telecom customer since 1989. 2 Degrees piggybacking on Vodafone - more verbal effluent from them about 'their' network and no 3G!!!!
2 Degrees should come clean on deal with Vodafone as it looks like 2 degrees is on a loss making venture unless they raise rates.
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