Ardern: new government will follow Labour's immigration policy, not NZ First's

Jacinda Ardern

LATEST: Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary plan still on the table: Shaw

More policy detail ahead of the full Labour-NZ First deal being disclosed early next week.

Jacinda Ardern seems to be holding firm against Winston Peters' party on immigration, but there is a report Labour has made a major environmental concession.

Prime Minister-elect says her government will follow Labour's policy on immigration numbers rather than New Zealand First's.

Labour has promised to reduce net migration by 20,000-30,000 a year, implying a cut to 40,000 to 50,000 from the current level of about 70,000.

New Zealand First's policy was to reduce the numbers to just 10,000.

In the year to September, 71,000 more people arrived to live in the country than left.

That was a fall from the record annual net migration of 72,400 in the year to July. 

Speaking on TV3's The Nation, Ms Ardern reiterated  Labour's policy.

She said all three parties had common ground in the view that increased immigration was putting pressure on infrastructure.

Pressed on whether net migration would be reduced to 10,000 a year, she said "Labour's policy remains absolutely unchanged as a result of these negotiations [with New Zealand First]."

With the country near full employment, and migrants needed to fill positions in sectors like healthcare, tourism, hospitality, agriculture and elder care, Labour has yet to detail where it will make cuts beyond a handful of language schools with questionable practices.

Meanwhile, Fairfax reports that Labour has agreed to scrap the Kermadec Marine Sanctuary in response to a demand from NZ First.

Neither Labour nor NZ First has commented on the story so far, but the Greens' Eugene Sage says her party knows nothing about it -- although a fishing lobbyist says his industry has been pushing NZ First on the issue.

The 620,000 sq km Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, announced by John Key at the United Nations in 2015, was hailed around the world and passed its first reading in Parliament unopposed.

However, the process of creating the sanctuary broke down in late 2016 following legal challenges from iwi fishing interests.

Before entering Parliament, NZ First cabinet prospect Shane Jones was chairman of Sealord, New Zealand's largest fishing company and part-owned by iwi under a 1992 Treaty deal.


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NZF-1 - Greens-0….Early attack on the Greens by NZF after only three days

New Zealand's biggest ocean sanctuary is dead in the water, in a Winston Peters deal that has blindsided the Greens. The 620,000 sq km Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, announced by John Key at the United Nations in 2015, was hailed around the world and passed its first reading in Parliament unopposed.

But fishing companies and iwi bodies filed legal action opposing it, saying the sanctuary would deny them fishing rights agreed in Treaty settlements. NZ First, whose senior MPs are close to the fishing industry and whose campaign was partly bankrolled by players in the fishing industry, demanded Labour stop the sanctuary.

If the Greens had gone with National they would have won this one.

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Kaimoana for all the Northland bruhs running the show now smelling fishy already ... this farcical comedy show is just getting started methinks.

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Amazing that Jacinda reversed on a decision that had been "hailed around the world" and recognised by the UN.

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The thought of missing out on a $540,000/annum salary can obviously cloud ones judgment.

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Amazing? Or evidence of just how desperate Labour was to get into power. It will be interesting to see what else has been given away.

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Has she now. Perhaos you'd be better to wait before making assumptions.

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The sheer outright dishonesty here is something to behold, isn't it? Driven by the suck of a sour lemon.

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And to think Ardern fooled the ignorant by carrying on about rivers. We now have an inkling about how far she bent over for Winston, suspect though that this is just the tip of a very nasty iceberg. Greens now guaranteed obscurity.

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Just to remind people of a few facts in the hysteria. Key's failure to consult those effected by his sanctuary promise cuts across what is legal in a democratic society. Those such as fishing companies and Iwi with treaty rights should have been consulted and offered appropriate compensation after their needs and grievances had been heard. This can still happen. And from murmurings in the Labour party, probably will. So as such please tone down the frothing and gnashings of teeth.

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Going to be interesting to see which interviewer has the b*lls to confront the Prime Minister-Elect on this one and her response..."hmm turned down a UN supported marine reserve for Winston and Shane so I could govern"..and apparently the Nats were corrupt

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Green response: cross the floor and vote with National to approve it.

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If the agreement between the Greens and Labour hasn't been signed and if I was Bill English, I would be getting on the phone to James Shaw right now and advising that in coalition, the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary would proceed with the Greens support for National on confidence and supply.

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James Shaw.. this is your opportunity to step up to the plate and show some integrity and prove to the NZ public that the Greens truly believe in environmental causes. This is your chance to be remembered in NZ history as a Hero or a Zero..the choice is yours!

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Its not stepping up, its manning up. Go on Shaw show us what you are really made of. Your silence and inaction on this issue is a public admission of complicity.

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I think the full score is Winston First 1, The Greens nil, Labour minus 1.

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With the world with a dagger stuck in its side ..the first thing to do is axe the only conservation project that meant anything..shame on those involved

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Wait until you see the Government tripartite agreements released this week before you rush in with your scoreboard.

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Agree... the Greens must have secured something.. surely. All that has come out so far is a review of the personal use of cannabis... I hope they have got more out of Labour than that... otherwise whats the point ... by 2020 the electorate will dispose of them as they didn't get one objective forward.

Perhaps Shaw will surprise in terms of what Green initiatives have been agreed... otherwise he may find the core Green support he thinks he is catering begin to ask for his head.

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The Greens needn't have too much concern about about scrapping the KOC. There's no doubt that NZ First's policy of cutting back on immigration will have the same effect as creating an even bigger Marine Sanctuary.

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Is this going to end up being the usual knee-jerk, reactionary policy which politicians are famous for? Treasury forecasts out past 2020 already see a precipitous decline in immigration, and latest figures out show we have already plateaued. If Labour policy slashes immigration levels by ~25%, we could see a real momentum drive down to Mr Peters 10,000 level anyways. This also corresponds to the housing market, which has already started to show falling prices and a massive reduction in sales at current prices. As immigration is a primary driver of house prices in NZ, reduction in one combined with policy to limit demand in the other could lead to a real pile-driver to the market and be a major inflection point.

Put your picnic lunches away if you value them - the bears are on the horizon!

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10000 immigration was normal for decades,or even less,the economy went well,every body made money,so I'm not sure what everyone is panicking about,it is what it is,people will adapt, and life will carry on.

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The economy did not do well and everybody did not make money. In fact the opposite was true. New Zealand went down and down the OECD tables to end up at the bottom of the world's wealthy nations, in fact we came very close to falling out of the First World group of countries altogether. New Zealanders were leaving in droves to go and live in better more prosperous countries abroad that offered them and their children greater opportunity. And the country as a whole seriously economically underperformed and we suffer the consequences of that even to this day.

Please, if you are going to comment, at least be invested in reality with a sound grasp of what was really going on, and not in some sort of she'll be right, happy clappy no worries, mate, socialist workers toss another shrimp on the barbie bubble.

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Rubbish....show me how we have leveled off with immigration.
Immigration has killed the productivity of NZ particually in the top half of the north island.
We are head for standstill because we can not move economically or buy the goods we need to be productive.
Prices are at the mercy of the greedy bunch and they are making every move a winning post.
There is no obvious sign of any immigration slow down.
What there is a bunch of fearful greedies who have lock things up while the election was on....that is all.
The election result will have its own consequences as will the world economy. watch this space.

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Immigration looks pretty plateau'ed to me, especially with new policies imminent! Try following Stats NZ and thinking with a long-term cap on next time ;)

Source: http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/Migration/IntTravel...

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Plateau'ed from an unsustainable Mount Everest record high number, and three years at Himalayan levels.

The end game of this was never going to be easy for who ever was to deal with it, and the result more catastrophic the longer it is left. That is what you get with pyramid scheme economic policy.

At 3 x's the per capital rate of the UK's (and they were unhappy with their rate, that is why they voted for Brexit), and 2 x's Australia's per capita rate. NZ clearly could not carry on at this rate.

The time to have addressed this has been yesterday for some years now.

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No,I wasn't commentating on the recent immigration,it was the old days I was talking about.

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Here's some more light weekend reading for you to chew on - RBNZ MPS, specifically page 29 and chart 5.3:

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/ReserveBank/Files/Publications/Monetary...

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NO "massive reduction" in house prices away from Auckland. Investors have transferred their buy-ups to drive up house prices elsewhere,

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I use to agree with the adage." Every country gets the Government they deserve". Well that has turned out to be hot air. NZs got the Government they did not deserve. "They will be supping sorrow with the spoon of grief."Watch this space.

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We have had that sort of government for the last 9 years. We have record homelessness, people unable to feed their children, an horrendous suicide rate, mental health issues that are out of control and the list goes on. National has destroyed this country. Please stop being selfish and only thinking about yourself. We need to rebuild our community and help each other not punish people for not being able to survive under the horrendous policies of the past 9 years.

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How about you lead the way by example..perhaps sell your house and use the funds to help all of these people you want to rescue..I suspect as a Chardonnay Socialist you are more likely to just sink back in your lazy boy, sip away and look after #1.

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How about you hand back you tax breaks and help out the needy. But no, there are none so precious about their money than the rich.

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Who do you think donates to the poor , not the poor. We donated tens of thousands last year to help the needy . Saving it now for my family.

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Same here.

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As a teacher doing 60 to 75 hours a week, when union member colleagues sit and drink cups of tea, moaning, in the staffroom, Nationals tax cut was about to make a huge difference to life.

With Labour, NZ lost, Green, the impacts of water tax, regional tax, emissions taxing, will exasperate the already serious teacher crisis.

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What tax "breaks"? I will worry about the needy and the homeless when they stop breading themselves into poverty.

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Pot kettle black.

Another faux capitalist who's all too ready with their hand out come their turn, whether it was their free education or their untested Pension. Capitalism shouldn't just be for other people.

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Any fool that thinks this new coalition can solve these global issues is dreaming. Do you not think (even with your blinkers on) that it was in any way beneficial for Nats to have endured these issues? Jacinda's magic wand may need more than some wishful thinking and some tired politicians behind it.

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Labour's crocodile tears about the environment already exposed. Kermadec Reserve hailed internationally and by Greens....sold down he gurgler to minor commercial interests funding NZF.
This reserve is a seeding ground for Pacific nations fisheries and NZ. We and the world are poorer for its trashing.
Lets see if the Greens have the cojones to stand their ground or become the servile lapdogs NZF expect.

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This is just more muck raking from the right wing media desperate to drive any wedge no matter how spurious. Honestly if the nz media and nz first were drowning and I could save only one I would happily watch the collective national party sycophants head over the falls

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And too ignorant to understand that as we go, we take all of our capital with us that you need to fund your socialism.

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Quite happy to measure my financial wingspan with you dude, just because you don't like the National party lies, the kowtowing to foreign interests, the nepotism, the conflicts of interest, the manipulation of due process etc... just because you don't wish to sell our provenance our egalitarian values doesn't mean you are without financial resources or wherewithal. In my humble and obviously unqualified opinion the ones that benefitted from National party largesse have confused handouts with financial acumen

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OK, lay it out and we'll see.

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At least he has the courage to put his name where his mouth is.

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I suggest you google "Mr John McCarthy MIE Group". He likes Mr No and, like Mr No, wants to go back to Muldoonism and have "asset rich/cash plenty" sheep farmers wrapped in (cotton)wool with Gov. regulation of meat processing and exporting.
Have a good read:)

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Aren't you an ACT supporter? Wilderness beckons for your lot?

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Hello Mr Bill. Parted company big time, when they supported Brash interfering in the housing market and I strongly opposed it. Bloody hypocrites!
Like preaching one law for all, then Mr Hide lobbied, "one law for NZ fishers and another for Joint Fishing ventures/vessels"!!.
Thanks for asking. Cheers ;)

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Typically of your commentary you have misrepresented my position. The meat industry is a perfect example of why we now have a left leaning government. The destructively competitive practices both behind and beyond the farm gate have led to a situation where we now have our biggest processor controlled by foreign interests,a massive and unsustainable conversion rate to dairying as beleaguered sheep farmers converted to escape the poverty and uncertainty of the meat world. A looming and expensive over capacity issue, the crash of landcorp balance sheets and hence sale of landcorp properties to foreign interests, the fact that this once unique symbol of New Zealandness is now over 50% owned by foreign interests... the list is endless but at the end of the day the demise of the meat industry is a total illustration and indictment as to why the market cannot be the sole arbiter of social and economic outcomes. NZ lamb has a potentially unique position in the world but to exploit that point of difference we need to be singing from one book. All I ever wanted was to realize that potential and keep NZ value chains for New Zealanders. Mr.No,?suggest you look in the mirror.

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"....... we need to be singing from one book."
And what do you suggest we sing Mr McCarthy? The Red Flag?

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There are different forms of patriotism I guess.

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So I take it the report is true then?

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Sounds to me the truth is hurting you already,Mr Lie-bour/Green sycophant. You certainly dont like the cold steel of reality.this is not about muck as you are ranting about. It is the betrayal and shafting of a so called coalition Party. Even before the agreement has not been signed. Or if it has the ink is still wet.

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We won, you lost. End of story

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Think you will find there is a long, long way to go before the ‘winners’ in this election are decided...the Kermadec issue is just the first problem this coalition is going to face, certainly not the last...to paraphrase, this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps, the end of the beginning...

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You are more original . Not.

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And now the agreements are out you've been proven totally wrong, again.

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Have we turned into a country of blamers ?
Anyone who never did anything wrong never did anything at all !!
Work hard, save hard, play hard , that is the kiwi way is it not ?
Under any government I have gone from a child with not much at all to a successful business man under my own steam.
Yes there have hard times for our company.
How ever I do not wish to get filthy ritch at the expense of others, that is not right.
Come on NZ !
Honesty, integrity, quality and care for everyone!
Stop blaming and address your own problems prior to pointing the finger.
Give a little, trust me it comes back ten fold.
Look around the world at how many are worse off, appreciate what you have.
Don't be greedy, be fair.
Be kiwi again !!!!!

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I agree 100%, I also benefited from a good , free education and opportunities to improve my lot and that of my family. Unfortunately too many New Zealanders have been welfare dependent for generations and are unwilling to take personal responsibility or work to improve their position. Until this attitude changes, society will suffer from petty jealousy and the divisiveness that is obvious in the comments posted in papers like this.

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You are dead right about the welfare dependency syndrome, and the entitlement mentality in NZ.

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What a cynical and outrageous move by Labour over making sure our filthy lakes and rivers are cleaned up and that the polluters pay. And what a disgraceful effort by the Greens too. They don't care about the environment, all they care about is a naked grab for power at any cost and the baubles of office that go with it. Winston's Uncle Tom is what they are trying themselves in to.

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I don’t know why people are so surprised by the Greens support of a left wing government being more important to its members than the environment. The agreed party is first and foremost a far left party. It was formed by combining 3 parties that each couldn’t get the 5% required to stay alive under MMP. Retaining the Green name was simply a marketing ploy to connect with voters who actually care about the environment more than most “ Green” voters do. Hopefully those voters will realize this and vote accordingly next election.

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Bro, get your facts right.

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The reality is there is not alot of honesty in reporting.

Net immigration of non citizens of 72,000 has to slow down, which your infrastructure cant cope with it and to a level local employers can absorb.

I got a haircut the other day from a non citizen, who has more recently been employed by an immigrant also. While the non citizen was a lovely person, her boss didnt look happy when I said well you'll be enjoying a wage increase shortly because the minimum wage is going up.

What we do know is, in an industry like hairdressing, increased wages will result in increased haircut charges. Thats fine, and it shouldnt be significant given it told 5 minutes to do a $20 cut. What we dont know is whether this new employee is being paid the minimum wage anyway, why the employer can find a NZ citizen to do the job? I wouldnt mind beating the 3 month trial period is exploited here.

The fact of the matter is alot of these new immigrants are not only be exploited, but closing the door to nz citizens employment opportunities and driving down wages.

Think I might have to change my barber. Its time the government started caring for its people, rather than some businesspeople who has no care or loyalty to it legal citizens.

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Oh my Lord. Winston and Jones feathering their nest for the fisheries industry? Who would have thought?

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Yes. Remember Winston and the scampi scandal?

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Well now the greens have to back track on the tax cuts.This will hurt them in the next election.Labour will stuff the country.

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Lets give them a chance,you never know, you might be surprised, to many negative comments on this site.

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National and Greens can still pass KOS if they vote in favour, as long as Greens commitments to the coalition are only for supply and confidence.

If National pursues KOS, Greens will be in a difficult position if Greens agree to vote against it with their coalition partners.

One of Winston’s reasons for choosing Labour; to dump KOS, doesn’t make sense without Greens agreement.

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That would be great viewing. Hope it comes up as a private members bill.

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Agreed, this would be MMP at work. More Of NZ want the KOC than voted for NZF or Labour. Let’s see if NZF are prepared for MMP to work. We now know NZF is Socialist, it now seems the are also very much pro Māori despite Winston campaigning to breakup the Māori seats ( which he immediately withdrew now the Māori party can’t interfere with his role as a Kingmaker Under MMP). Even Brash advocated supporting NZF based on its Māori policy. I’m sure a lot of Centre Right voters agreed and voted NZF.

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Could you please also get rid of tax breaks for immigrants who get foreign income.

http://www.ird.govt.nz/income-tax-individual/temp-tax-empt-foreign-inc.html

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Are you suggesting getting rid of these tax breaks only for the non-white immigrants , or does that include the white immigrants from Europe , USA, Britain etc ?

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All immigrants, plain and simple.

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People haven't even seen the agreements between Labour, NZ First and the Greens yet (Adern has said they will all be released this week) but already here we have people who know it all. I suspect the wet weather means they don't have anything else to do. But there is a touch of trolls trying already to undermine the election result. Get over yourselves or you may quickly find yourselves irrelevant.

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Would Winnie sell his posh $2m house in St Mary’s Bay , and would Ardern sell her pt Chev house and share the loot with the homeless, who they care so so much about ? Has either one of them actually given a penny to those homeless when they see them ? Or were they hiding in their ivory tower ? Well, what is the point of economic growth if there is so much homelessness according to the toothy Ardern ?

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Indeed! Donating a fair chunk of her $500k-odd income to benefit those less well-off would convince me she really cares about inequality and child poverty

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We have to put up with 9 years of left wing trolls running down National and free markets in NZ, and most of those trolls don't even pay for the subscription that allows them to do this.

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I know, and it's so wrong on so many levels! You'd think from reading the comments section in the NBR that you were actually reading the comments section on the Standard and not the country's most preeminent business newspaper, such is the volume of anti-capitalist, antibusiness and anti-National rhetoric that gets published. And as you say, they pay nothing to do it too! Still, if you can't beat em, join em. I've stopped paying too!

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I also read ( and pay for) the FT online. The reader commentary is just as partisan, uninformed, rude and in many cases plain stupid. While not all the stupidity is from the left, what surprises me is the level of left wing PR that finds its way into these columns. I suppose it’s one way to balance the pro business right wing news coverage - or maybe they just enjoy winding up us paying capitalist subscribers.

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Why are what you perceive as left wing comments considered by you to be left wing PR but you don't see conservative and extreme right comments as right wing PR? In my experience (because I was part of doing it for the Nats at one stage) they are much better organised in their PR and letter-writing campaigns than anyone on the left.

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I think she is an incompetent idiot to be honest.

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That wasn't very nice.

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Well I (and someone called "Green") warned people to wait until the agreements were released before rushing into uninformed emotional ideological comments on the Kermadecs Sanctuary. Now people making comments here are exposed for what they are.
There could be a real opportunity for NBR comments to provide excellent discussion on this Coalition and its policies. But it seems that instead the trolls are taking over.

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