Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary plan still on the table: Shaw

Greens leader James Shaw doesn't think the sanctuary is in jeopardy

Green Party leader James Shaw says the Kermadec Marine Sanctuary is still on the table — despite a Fairfax report yesterday that Labour had scotched the marine reserve as part of its coalition pact with NZ First, which now ranks ex-Sealord chairman Shane Jones in its ranks.

Early on Sunday, the Greens seemed blindsided by developments.

But later in the day, Mr Shaw told TVNZ 1’s Q+A programme that the scheme is still on the negotiating table.

"Yes, well, it’s certainly still on the table. Obviously, there’s still a lot of issues to work through. It is a complicated issue, but we are still committed to doing our best effort to making sure that it happens," the Greens leader said.

Asked if the sanctuary was in jeopardy, Mr Shaw said, "No, I don’t think so. It is a complicated issue. We absolutely need to work alongside Maori in order to make sure that it happens, but I think that we are all committed to making sure that it does."

On water issues, Mr Shaw said the Greens will be pushing for a package to help farmers make the transition to more sustainable ways of farming.

In response to a question about whether the Greens want to cap cow numbers or lower them, Mr Shaw replied:

"No, I don’t think that you’ll see much activity on that in the immediate future, but I do think that what we are aiming to do is to work with the market itself to say, ‘Well, what are some things that we can put in place to make that transition, over the course of the next few years, to more sustainable ways of farming'."

 


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"Earth to Shaw...".... "Earth to Shaw...." ..... "Please come in...Earth to Shaw..."......"You've been done over...."......"Hopes fading of Green (Communist) party relevance.."......"Earth to Shaw....."

....crackle...hiss ..crackle.....

"Dam....2020 election (or sooner) obscurity"

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Shaw, you had the chance to really be something, to make your mark, to get some policies across the line, and then you went with Labour.......

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Is the marine reserve really back on track? Or are the Green party just saying that, to avoid accusations that they put politics ahead of the environment. As the Greens know that if it has been canned, National would be able to undermine the Greens environmental credentials. (not that they had many to begin with anyway)

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The socialist priorities of the greens are already appearing through the eco cracks in their facade

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First crack in the wall. Nat / Green alternative looking more likely daily......Greens should have gone with Bill from the get go,,,,WP wants them dead....and the first blow has been struck

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This is our talking point and by god, we're going to stick with it!

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Shaw should stand his ground - no sanctuary, no coalition deal. If he gets walked over on day one, he's history.

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Or the Greens could vote with National to ensure the Kermade Sanctury Bill passes ifs second reading (assuming Lab-NZF don't stall it).

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Good point.

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With the Coalition riding on this I’m confident the Reserve will go ahead. It simply requires a large compensation payment to Maori and the fisheries companies for rights they don’t use and might not even own. Given Labour has 7 Maori MPs, 15% of its Caucus and NZF has Jones I’m sure a substantial compensation payment will be forthcoming. Everyone will be happy except the Tax Payers.

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Shaw is & always was irrelevant
Cant be environment & left or right
Planet not commie or capitalist
Hopefully greens roll him

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Is there anything in this country that doesn't require a "large compensation payment to Maori"?

Why? Did Maori own the Kermadecs in 1840, or is this one-sided Treaty amendment number 45,692.

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Will these compensation payments ever end? They seem to be endless.

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Why take the risk if you are the Greens?

Simpler for the Greens to go into coalition with National on confidence and supply..NZF is gone (as they should be with this level of blatant vested interest), Labour gets 3-more years of training which they sorely need..taxpayers get a stable economy along with a heightened sense of environmental progress.

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Answer: Because the Greens would not necessarily relish a stable and green economy. They would prefer a less stable, more anarchistic state where people wash in streams (having paid the water taxes) with rocks.

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They could, and labour probably know they would, but it won't get a second reading. Theyll just put it the bottom of the pile, Poverty is more important than fish, etc etc and it'll never progress. Nats would have to put in a private members bill, and have it drawn from the ballot, and only then the whole process starts again.

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It’s about time that James Shaw had the guts to say he would have preferred to join National. This would have avoided any doubt about the Reserve. Winston will wet any Pocket he can to get the baubles of office. The voters are slow learners especially those of my era who’ve known WP for 30 years.

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More Maori extortion ... this time for fishing rights "not exercised". Greens will go along with shovelling out cash to the Maoris ... or the coalition is heading to the bottom of the Kermadec trench. Now if only the Maoris could involved in the "unexercised" bottled water rights of all NZs springs, that would create a gravy train of largesse, legal rorting and political point-scoring that could go on for as long as the rain falls.

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You are talking garbage. It is Pakeha and Chinese companies making every effort to rip off the springs and aquifers, along with pathetic council members rubber stamping them. Who can blame the Chinese when our government has been so apathetic to the sell off at close to no cost to them.
Maori have been active in trying to stop it, and fortunately helped in stopping the beautiful blue springs being sucked out and sent off overseas.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=1193...
As unlike some they want it for future generations, not just a quick filthy profit.

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That table must have legs made of Kauri to take the weight of all the things going to be placed on it.

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The greens can side with the nats and marine reserve works .
forget the politics and do what needs to be done

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Peters legacy gets more and more gloomier with every piece of secret negotiations with Labour/NZ First backdoor deals being revealed.What a sad indictment ,being played out here in the lust for power,with miss Arderns alleged selling out to Peters cabal on the Kermadect Sanctuary betrayal of the Greens. Mr Shaw said he knew her for years,and even trusted her. Nuff said.

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If Peters really wants a legacy he should insist on the Kermadec Reserve as part of his Coalition terms then claim credit for creating a global asset that will be respected long after all the current politicians are long forgotten.

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If the rumors on the Kermadecs are true it may not just be NZF fault. The Maori Cacus inside Labour is 7 seats. That’s nearly the same as NZF or the Greens. I don’t think Labour will make another “foreshore and seabed” mistake on this one. NZF May just be a good excuse for Labour to ignore the Greens on this one, or buy Maori support to get the deal done.

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Isnt WP on record as decrying race based politics and Maori preference?

If he agrees to the fat cheque to Maori interests to appease the Greens on Kermadec, he will be exposed as a fraud and vilified by his supporters.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out and what spine the Greens have. Wouldnt be surprised to see a split in the Greens going over to Nats.
That would be fun!!! Maybe WP is now hostage to Greens if they have the guts to flex that muscle

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You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.

Iwi interests might like to consider a long term approach to these reserves. It might be that they were disappointed they weren't consulted in the first place of this. Other commercial interests hadn't complained.

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I voted Green on green and I will be literally furious if Shaw doesn't step up. This is real " money where your mouth is" stuff.

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Hey James, maybe now is the time to give Bill a call?

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This is all just rumours and speculation until the coalition agreements come out (and perhaps even after). The Greens want the reserve, but they also want iwi on side with it - something National notably failed to do before announcing the reserve. Carrying out that consultation will probably be pretty difficult from opposition, so I think Green support for a theoretical National members bill is fanciful.

If National want the Greens to consider them as a potential coalition partner at the next election, they should think hard about how they demonstrate that over the next three years.

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