Key’s nudge, wink and grin to Epsom Nats begins

John Key

“In the end, MMP is a system designed for political parties to do deals of one kind or another,” Prime Minister John Key said today.

That does not mean, he hastily added, that National has done a deal over the Epsom seat.

The future of that seat, held by Act Party leader Rodney Hide, is coming under increasing focus as the 2011 election date draws closer and the prospects for National’s support partners becomes more politically salient.

Anecdotally, National voters who were prepared to vote for Mr Hide last time around are now in revolt.

Act’s internal ructions, ex-MP David Garrett’s ignominious exit after it was found he used dead babies for fake IDs, and Mr Hide’s own run-ins with Parliamentary Services over travel allowances, have all hurt the ebullient Act leader.

National, though, needs a support partner that isn’t the Maori Party, which is facing highly combustible pressures of its own.

National’s message to its Epsom supporters looks likely to boil down to: “take a long anaesthetic swig of single malt, go down to the polling booth and vote for Hide.”

Mr Key wasn’t as unsubtle as that today but the election is six months away: now is the time to start getting Epsom Nats used to the idea that they may need to swallow hard and vote for Mr Hide.

Cuteness from the prime minister was the order of the day today.

“The primary emphasis will be on the party vote,” Mr Key said about eight times during a post-Cabinet to-ing and fro-ing with Parliament’s press gallery.

Asked bluntly whether he wants National to win Epsom, Mr Key ducked the question.

“I want National to win the election,” he said with a broad grin. “In the end the decision on whether to vote for Rodney Hide or the National candidate is entirely in the hands of the voters.”

As for whether the same message would be delivered in other electorates, Mr Key would only muse that every electorate is different.

Asked whether this was inconsistent, Mr Key looked thoughtful.

“Weeellll,” he mused in a long drawn-out syllable, “it's practical.”

And that sums up his message, delivered through nudges and winks, to Epsom National supporters: be practical unless you want a Labour government.
 


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So Key expects NACT bloc voters to ignore the Act party's failings of late, and tactically focus their candidate vote on Hide, because National can't be bothered offering a better candidate to replace Hide.
It's a shame, why not just cut them lose, and sell the credibility of the National party over Act on it's own merits... But I can see how it is gonna be the easy option for Key, and will probably pay off, if Hide gets in' Act will likely score one or two more seats. Sounds like Key is warming to the tactical potential of MMP.

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As an EPSOM voter there is NO WAY I am voting for Rodney Hide. I will be voting for the National candidate but will not be voting as I did last election. It was worth doing last time to strengthen National's chances - but this time I will vote to ensure that he doesn't get in and will take my chances on National getting in. I will start mobilising others in Epsom to do the same if necessary. Rodney's behavior this term has been shameful.

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Voted for Hide last time, will not do it this time - under any circumstances.

Whether I vote National again for the party vote is up in the air......problem is that they are the least worst (cannot say best) of a very bad bunch.

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As an EPSOM voter there is NO WAY I am voting for Rodney Hide. I will be voting for the National candidate but will not be voting as I did last election. It was worth doing last time to strengthen National's chances - but this time I will vote to ensure that he doesn't get in and will take my chances on National getting in. I will start mobilising others in Epsom to do the same if necessary. Rodney's behavior this term has been shameful.

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Prime Minister John Key ... BIG BIG BIG mistake on the horizon here if you think there and many Aucklanders that like let alone will vote Hide (the super city is the last nail... he and his mate Len Brown cheers for nothing ...)
- there are NO GIMMIES in Politics it would be a poor judgment call to think voters should be manipulated this way

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Poll only show what may be happening now. However closer to election, if the Act Party goes, then the Maori Party will be the only "Kingmaker"....can the National Party withstand this uncertainty, faced by the poor Labour Party (Government) before?

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Sometimes you feel like these guys think they have the last say and can trade our votes like sites in a game of monopoly....!!!
Hide is a LOSER!!

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I think it was too early to make that call. Key should have gone for 'insiperational' politics and tried to will the election out right. He would have taken a lot of ACT voters with him I think (ACT voters wouldn't waste their vote if they knew it was over)

If the polls show they needed ACT, I am sure the smart voters of Epsom would have swallowed their pride and ticked the right box.

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The reality is that if you do not vote for Hyde, you could be effectively voting for Goff- what a horrible thought!!!!

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Rob, I interpret things a bit differently. Key needs Act to stay sweet for the budget so he doesn't want to be directly rude (especially after rejecting their proposal to run Groser or someone like him in Epsom). But he said that National will campaign primarily for the party vote in Epsom - well, that's true in every seat. He also said that Epsom voters will vote how they want to vote - but Key has seen the polling showing Hide can't win even if he personally backs him, so that's also a fairly meaningless comment overall. But you were at the press conference and I wasn't of course.

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Epsom voter and no way will i be supporting the circus that is act this time around

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So the cat is out of thebag. Voters are told that MMP gives fairer representation. Now we have an admission of what has been increasingly apparent "MMP is a system designed for political parties to do deals". Add this comment to the furore over Labour's list and there is every reason not to support the continuation of the MMP system, as presently implemented.

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Key is "mr everywhere" he needs to watch that he doesn't become overexposed
NZ needs a right wing party to counter National's tendancy to swerve to the left
A pity that Hide has queered his pitch.Perhaps Berscowan would be a good replacement?

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As Matt Hooton said this morning on radio. The Nats. need Hide to pass the Budget. After that he feels all bets are off. He believes the Nats. will field a very credible candidate in Epsom with the idea of taking the seat. He said polling already shows Hide is gone. So good people rather than make your minds up from one publication, listen and read some more before blogging.

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The reason MMP will survive is because partties can use the list to retain MPs rejected by the electorate voters. It's called "looking after your mates". If MMP is to be retained, this aspect needs to disappear. As for Hide, I am a disappointed one-time supporter. If John Boscown stood for an electorate, he would have my vote in a wink. Peachy has lost mine - not least for the Emissions Trading scam his silly mate, Smith is in charge of.

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National have fallen for the trap of doing ANYTHING to remain in power. They have sold out their principles.
I asked a party insider why did they dump Brash and he admited that it was just to win the election.
You could have almost painted the flag a different colour and left labour in after 2008. Remember the public no-smacking referendum and national just ignored it. ForeShore and Seabed sentiment, ignored too. Indigeonous rights from the UN? Signed up.
Sooner or later there is going to be a bust up in National (you can almost see Bill English cringe as he has to spend $2M on an exhibition piece at the same time as tell us to tighten our own belts) as people wake up that you can't just be in power to keep the other guys out. You need to actually move the country forward and do something constructive and worthwhile.
Either that or it is Tea Party time in NZ or something similar where the people who have had enough and aren't emigrating, take back the power of the parties National in particular. Labour is stuck with union backing which will never work long/medium term for the country.

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Not everyone will vote as suggested - I for one a long time National supporter and regrettably Hide voter last time will absolutely not give either the candidate or the party vote to National. No credible opposition to Hide from National and a presumption that I and others will toe the party line sounds a little Helen-ish to me.

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National will lose a lot of party votes nationally if they support Hide. He is hated in Auckalnd and despised by women over his baby identity issue.

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Why doesn't ACT do something to make it easier for the voters of Epsom to support an ACT candidate. Like running Heather Roy or John Boscawen as the local candidate.

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Let Hide sink. He's a goner, he and his clowns. I can debate and discuss Nats choices any time. ACT just takes the worse out of me...after I see Hide I feel the irresistible need to invade Poland , to paraphrase Woody Allen.
Nats can do without that clown and his circus.

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National will lose a lot of votes nationally if they support Hide. Votes are equally sadly wasted on either nats ot act !
It is not ''worth'' anything, key is banker, rooting our finances ,english a disaster. Any other is safer than these two insiders, having it their way,No credible opposition to Hide from National and a presumption that I and others will toe the party line sounds a little boastful. both are seriously manipulative , at least goff is simply honest.

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I understand how National would LOVE to get sufficient votes to govern alone - but, in my considered opinion, the Botany by-election result (the ONLY poll that matters) PROVES that is highly unlikely.

Given that Labour's vote proportionately increased in Botany (a 'safe' National seat) while National's vote collapsed (over 9000 'former'? National Party voters- didn't - the reality, in my view) is that asset sales are HUGELY unpopular with the public majority.

Added to that will be the increasing public focus on the unpopular Auckland $upercity - which is proving to be, as some of us predicted - a 'super ripoff'.

Tonight, at the first candidates meeting for the Howick by-election, as a truly 'INDEPENDENT' candidate - I will be launching my campaign for a 'partial rates$ revolt! NO RATE$ INCREASES!

7.30pm Tuesday 19 April 2011
Ormiston Senior College
Ormiston Rd
FLAT BUSH

(Meeting organised by the Botany /Flat Bush Residents and Ratepayers Assn)

How come the Auckland Council is proposing a 4.9% rates increase - when the public were promised 'economies of scale' with the enforced abolition of our 8 former councils?

As I predicted in the Auckland Mayoral campaign www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
the real reason for this corporate raid on Auckland is bigger contracts for bigger contractors.

A bigger public trough for bigger but fewer (multinational) snouts.

ENOUGH!

www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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You waycist peeple will be doomed DOOMED I say when me and the Wairapa Maoist Party of Aoteoroa take your names and send you to the salt mines of Gore IN WINTER.

My pwoud wed army of 124 Internationalist Pwatiots will weed you out with the shonky-meter of my own invention welded fwom pure socialist technology and twactor parts!

Waycist patwiachal scum that you are KNOW THIS...WE know what is best for YOU and WE will wun the command eCONomy of the future on behalf of the looters...er...moochers...er peeple er....sheeeple.

Sheeple of the World UNite!

Penni Bright
Socialist swivel-eyed frother
Order of Stalin
Welder 5th Class

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The Nats will let Hide win the seat. When ACT were talking of rolling Hide, John Key supported Hide and politically pressured the ACT party not to fire him. If Key isn't going to support Hide at the election so that ACT gain some party seats, then ACT won't hesitate to roll Hide.

I bet those spouting off how they voted for Hide last time but not this are a pack of sleazebag left wing socialists passing themselves off as right wing Epsom voters.

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Why do our politicians treat the public as complete idiots? Well, like sheep, the public have only themselves to blame. Our parliament now, instead of having a common sense approach to running the country has moved toward doing deals with anyone, in any party, so long as the Government of the day can retain power. It seems that while the "poor old" taxpayer is there to foot the cost Whether it is a disaster or not, and nobody is accountable, they just push on regardless. I'm amazed how many ex politicians seem to make comebacks in a new guise in another party.Voters, use what is between your ears before you vote next time.

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