Peters: decision on government by the end of next week

NZ First leader Winston Peters said "It depends on the logistical availability of the board – that could be Saturday, Sunday or Monday”

UPDATE: Winston Peters has set another deadline, of sorts, for wrapping up MMP negotiations. Asked this evening (Thursday) if there would be a new government by the end of next week, he replied: "Yes. Now would you write that on the wall please."

The NZ First leader said he would meet with his MPs tomorrow. The Friday caucus would probably take most of the day, he said.

Mr Peters confirmed that face-to-face negotiations with National and Labour had concluded. Discussions about portfolios could take place by phone call or text he said – providing a hint that his party is angling for positions in cabinet as part of a formal coalition rather than sitting on the cross-benches as some have speculated.

He also said that a meeting of his party's board had been delayed because one member had to attend a tangi (a traditional Maori funeral that takes three days or longer).

Mr Peters has refused to name the members of his party's board, who will be part of the final decision process, but Newshub has published a list of their names.

EARLIER: New Zealand has to wait a bit longer to find out the formation of the next government after NZ First leader Winston Peters revealed it’s not likely his board will meet tomorrow.

Mr Peters had previously said an announcement on the governing arrangement he has selected will come after his board meets and comes to an almost unanimous decision.

It had previously been thought the board would meet tomorrow.

But Mr Peters torpedoed that suggestion today, after his meeting with National this morning, saying it’s unlikely the board will meet on Friday.

Asked if that means a decision will come next week, he said: “That’s not what I said.”

“I said it depends on the logistical availability of the board – that could be Saturday, Sunday or Monday.”

He says he will “know that before too long” but stressed the meeting is contingent on the availability of the board.

“People do have to come from all over the country.”

He ruled out a meeting when members of the board were linked in via Skype saying it “wouldn’t be satisfactory.”

But he did say it was something he had thought about – “but that would not be the kind of serious discussion we need to have.”

Asked if he was disappointed he was missing his deadline of having a decision by October 12, he said that deadline was never set by him and blamed the media for misinterpreting it.

Asked if the board should have been organised to have talks as soon as possible before the election results came in, Mr Peters says no one could have predicted the outcome of the election without waiting for the special votes.

“We waited until we knew what the circumstances were.”

Mr Peters says NZ First has not been secretive about who is on its board, saying the whole board was at the party’s annual meeting earlier this year.

In a statement shortly after the NZ First leader spoke to media, he called for the media to respect the board’s privacy.

“By putting their name forward to serve on the board they do not expect to have their privacy invaded and to become public figures. This privacy extends to all party members.

“NZ First values transparency but we also value an individual’s privacy especially when they volunteer their services,” Mr Peters says.

Despite the delay, Mr Peters says he is “pretty confident” he and his team will conclude all negotiation talks with National and Labour by tonight.


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Wonderful. Who is to be the government is to be decided by a secret "board", who the voters haven't voted for, and who can't organise themselves on Thursday to get to Wellington (or wherever) to meet on Friday. What a complete farce - and Sir NO calls it democracy.

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Where is the outrage?? None.

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Me. I am outraged, and disgusted.
1) Peters lost his electorate.
2) Peters First gets 7.5% of the Party vote
3) Peters now gets the 2 main parties dancing to his tune. And the worst most disgraceful behaviour of all is:
4) Ms Adern and Mr English (80%plus of the vote) let him.
I care not what Government we end up with, please do not ever call it democracy. It will not be my Government and I will never recognise it as a legitimate Government.
To do so would be to say that my Father, my Uncles and Aunties, My Grandfather, his brothers sisters fought (some died) in two wars for absolutely nothing.

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Don't be a diva and NZ voters should take responsibility . The people voted for MMP. Government is decided by the system the people voted for. Don't like MMP demand and vote for MPs that will do something about. We make the rules, we vote for leaders, we are responsible . I have no time for people throwing their toys like children when they don't get their way - act like an adult.

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Like signing off as "anonymouse?
The South Island voted against MMP
Peters did lose his seat.
Not one of his party is responsible to an electorate.
Finally, I will say and do as my conscience dictates, and if you don't like that Mr nonnymouse. Tough.

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Suggest you look up the term democracy. What we have is exactly a democracy. People elect representativs who form a government.

Your complaint is with the system of democracy we use. But you cannot blame NZF for playing the cards they have.

BTW under first past the post we had governments formed despite having fewer votes than the other party. That system was also flawed.

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Form a party with a policy mix which, by accident or design, sees you fall neatly between left and right sides of a hung election and you too will be holding the balance of power. Easy peasy.

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Oh for goodness sake grow up John. Just because you didn't get the election result you wanted and because you don't like Winston doesn't mean it wasn't democracy, and isn't a democracy any where coalitions are negotiated to form a government.

If you won't recognise it as a legitimate government, then you are as bad as the people my father fought against and was seriously wounded doing so. Invoking your forebears as you do shames my father's memory.

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I think you should take a wee look at history Ms Sue.
And please do not tell me that history cannot repeat.
A democracy for me is a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
The "people" are sadly lacking in your darling Winstons negotiations.
We the people had our say. Turfed him out of Northland and left him gasping on just 7.5% of the vote.
He now has the power to tell us what Government we will have.
And you call that democracy? Sorry, not for me, no way.

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Don't patronise me Mr Morrison. Winston is not "my darling" and I did not vote for New Zealand First.
There were a number of the examples under FPP where the total number of voters in New Zealand voted one way but FPP gave a completely different government. I suppose you call that democracy in your terms.
Your refusal to understand Coalition governments whether under MMP or any other system is a sad reflection of your lack of understanding of democracy and how it works. It may help just to be not so fixated about Mr Peters.

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I understand democracy very very well.
What we are witnessing with these "negotiations" is just another example of "consensus" democracy. Forced on us by losers and their followers.
Well yes, there is nothing I can do to change that. But, unfortunately for those losers, I do not/will not ever, accept it as "democracy".
Please? What is it about that that you people do not understand??

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If you want to stick your head in the sand over Winston go ahead. But we do understand democracy and you don't because you are happy with a government with only 46% of the vote. Goodness knows what you will do if Winston goes with National and how you will react then. But in the meantime it might help if you want to gain some understanding that you stop abusing all and sundry who disagree with you.

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"But we do......."!!
So "we" definition of democracy is the real deal?
Excuse me, I haven't "abused" anyone. Just tried to protect the, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people" interpretation of "democracy", and tried to make clear I want no part of, and will never have a part of, any other.
I thought you said you didn't vote for NZF?

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I told you Mr Morrison that I didn't vote for NZF and I didn't. What part of that statement do you not understand?
The "we" is all the people you have consistently decried who believe a democracy is when a Government is formed by 50% or more of the vote - not by 46%.

I assume on the basis of your position that you opposed the previous Government of National with Dunne,. ACT and the Maori Party?

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This Government is not, will not, be selected "by the people".
It will be selected by Mr NO (after secret negotiations)who has 7.5% of the vote.
That is not democracy.
Tell us Ms Sue, were you happy or unhappy with trade negotiations (like the TPP) conducted in secrecy?

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This is MMP and don't forget there was also a John Key led MMP referendum in 2011 and the majority voted to retain MMP
All the worried National supporters should focus on what a shite campaign Steven Joyce ran where he also targeted Winston and NZ First to destroy them - now not so clever

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Yep the pied piper is conducting his band!!
It could be difficult for him if all parties walk away from his demands!!
7 percent controls 93 per cent what rubbish!!

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Well said! I wish our press were more effective in contesting this situation

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The board they are talking about will be the 75% Green Party board.The NZ First board is already in Wellington.The Green Party delegates,in a surprise outcome of the secret MMP talks with Peters and Labour, is just to make sure they agree with the deal for Greens to say yea or nay to
Going with a Labour/NZ First/Green coalition in any which way. Or just whatever it takes.

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By golly Mrs Mary, you may well be correct.
Good call. Cheers. You get both balloon AND cigar!
To your credit you did not call it democracy.
As an aside, I wonder how many of the "ninnymouses" in this thread are NZF Board members?

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Because your predictions have been so accurate in the past...

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Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, at all times my vision has been confirmed. Not forgetting that National Party 56 seats beats the hell out of Labours 46 seats.
Only thing different is in Peters world of fantasy and his dotage. Labours 46 Seats, beats the hell out of Nationals 56 seats.Hope i will end up being wrong for once in my life,Ms/ Mr "Understanding",lets hope by Monday i get a silver medal. If i don't where will you be on that day.

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Wrong again Helen Mary about the board they're talking about.

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For someone so promoting of democracy this whole saga is a disgrace albeit not unexpected from Sir NO. Shame on National and Labour for allowing themselves to become his puppets. Disgraceful.

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What are you smoking Mr Peters? You yourself said October 12!

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928956

I would certainly hope NZ First members could organise themselves to place this as, you know, a priority to get done ASAP as well.

Far out...

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It's not easy to get a slot at certain golf courses, you know. One has priorities.

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This is a complete joke! Our whole country's future lies in the hands of a secret board who no-one voted for, I can't believe this is what it's come to. National won the election - they got the most votes, surely that speaks volumes!

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Worse than that we are a parliamentary democracy where individual members act as a counter balance to an out of control executive.
Here we have to accept a clown with 7% support to call all the shots, with no checks or balances in place.
Pauline Hanson is on 18% support in Aussie. This could be the type of character that holds all the power next time. Back to sleep NZ.

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Kiwi's voted for the system . Don't like officer change the system

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Hey, Winston, if you can't organise a meeting after how many weeks notice of the need for one, then what else can't you get right?

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If only there were a form of communication that allowed a group of more than two participants to talk to and see each other simultaneously, regardless of their geographical location.

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Good one !

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"That's not what I said". Repeat for the next 3 years. NZZZZZ..... Let's hope many of those pea-brain NZ 1st voters don't make it until 2020.

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Think of the money NZ could save if we just forget about future elections and simply get Winston to have a meeting with himself every 3 years to decide who he wants to share the bed with!

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What country governing experience do any of this cast and crew (Board) have to make an informed decision? What information will they presented with? Will they even understand it? What are the implications if these unelected people do not!

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Yes, we live in a great democracy. None of that government appointed by a secret, unelected, faceless, nameless committee nonsense here! No siree. We have an open and transparent method for electing governments in New Zealand. We are the envy of the world.

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MMP doesn't work. This trend of leading by consensus is nonsense. It makes everything wishy washy. It's also largely why privately held companies are so strong compared to publicly held ones. I'm calling for 3 yearly benevolent dictatorships. I would rather see a single strong party in charge (whether I agree with their policies or not), not a compromised set of policies that leads us down a beige path. Beige gets us no where.

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Next time the FMA or ComCom say that your business must have a transparent governance structure...tell them where to shove it.

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The non-discerning voters put this belligerent arrogant guy into this position and now we have to wait for more non-discerning board to find time to meet ? Sounds like democracy is dead and we are ruled by a mafia gang of nameless people. Hilary Clinton put it succinctly “De.........” - another more accurate word for non-discerning.

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There is NO board. Winnie the Poo is the board and he is enjoying the limelight and power too much to give up yet. Bet he is going fishing again so no one can contact him - he will make sure everyone else sweats it out while he enjoys the “throne”.

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Couldn't see this coming ... not.

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Why was'nt this meeting planned and scheduled for Friday?

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Look on the bright side.....imagine if *Gareth Morgan* had have been in the box seat :(

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Im not so concerned about them not being elected. The concern is that both they and WP think it is ok and desireable to be anonymous. Hardly able to believe it.!!
If you want privacy, which is the excuse, dont get into politics!!!

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This is absolute rubbish. This is probably the most important decision any of these board members will make. How hard is it to jump on a plane to Wellington?

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You assume the unelected faceless board know what they are doing too!

Big assumption!

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Time for the Governor General to override the egotistical one. This is so much nonsense

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Im not so concerned about them not being elected. The concern is that both they and WP think it is ok and desireable to be anonymous. Hardly able to believe it.!!
If you want privacy, which is the excuse, dont get into politics!!!

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MMP is crap. With consensus there would never be any scientific and medical breakthroughs, no entrepreneur support etc. There should be an election rule change: no seat won, zero representation.

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You are right. "consensus" is a cry for help from people who will not/can not accept that they are wrong. Just plain wrong.
This cry for help(consensus) will always emerge just when it seems common sense/truth might carry the day.

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some of the commentary I have read above appears to have been put together by some lower school kids.
They don't understand what democracy is or is about.
They don't understand the what we established as MMP is what is at work and just as well.
Without some checks and balances these clowns would have us electing Parliament in the super market, any old super market. Eketahuna would be a good start for some.
Get real and wait the time it takes....whatever that will be and whatever the outcome will be.
Of course we have preferences but they don't count we have had our vote.

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Are you saying a party that cannot win an electorate and gets just 7.5% of the party gets ALL the say is democracy?
If so, I think you should straight up say so.

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Obviously it does

That is MMP that was voted in 1996 and again via a referendum in 2011
What National did wrong was not align with NZ First pre election - instead they tried to kill off Winston and NZ First

Move on and accept that MMP allows Winston to do whatever he wants

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Exactly - grow up stop crying and moaning about the system just because YOU did not get your way.

I did not vote for NZ 1st but am happy to allow the MMP system to take its course. A smaller party holding the balance of power is prevalent in all democracies. What have the Tories got in UK ?
What has the Liberal coalition got in Aust ?

MMP has been ratified twice, democratically by the majority of NZers.
Shut up, pick your toys up, wipe your tears, pull your nappies up and move on......

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For goodness sake it is a negotiation. You go on as if NZF will get all its policies agreed to, Not a show in hell with whoever they go with. A few key ones and some that the major coalition partner can live with, and a couple of Ministerial roles inside and outside cabinet (ie they won't have a majority in cabinet decisions). Get real man.

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No leadership from Nats or Lab. If one if them had any leadership they would disclose the deal they have offered and give NZF 24 hours to say Yes or NO.

Regardless of who you supported thinking citizens would have respect for that Party.

Can have no respect for muppets and puppets being played by Luigi.

Nats and Lab dont have the moral fortitude to lead the country and have displayed this over the past 2 weeks since 23 September. Both are a disgraceful bunch of losers.

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Sad to see so many whinny brats on the boards . The same ones who probably voted for Mmp.

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John Key knew what he was doing.. He could forsee all the happenings and wanted no part of it.

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Yes now widely available through the media, could there be other reasons why Winston doesn't want to shine a light on his board members

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What's the matter Mr Keall?
The young chap looks to me someone who will "bow 'n' scrape" to Mr NO?
Perfect board member, No?

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Seems like people are over MMP. Maybe there needs to be another vote to see if we want to go back to FFP.

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Agree FPP would win in a landslide. Last 20 years have seen a lack of direction lack of bold progress think infrastructure lack of vision.

Instead we have seen a series of disconnected policies contradictory policies lack of common sense governance et al.

Time to go back to what we know and understand. Elect them for 3 years. if they dont perform kick them out and replace them with the other lot.

Keep the blow torch down their Y fronts and their feet to the fire. Only way to deal with my Wellington employees.

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From what I've seen it's primarily older right-leaning voters who pine after FPP. Most young folk I know / have heard from / seen commenting are pretty happy with MMP.

Maybe it just needs generational change to run its course.

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"Out whole country's future lies in the hands of a secret board..." - what a load of rubbish! Firstly, the extent to which this country's future is determined by the Government (any Government!) is much smaller than most in this forum think it is. Of that (relatively small) extent, which coalition gets the power makes an even smaller difference.
A storm in a tea cup....

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What a bunch of moaners on here !
Did not get their way, so want to quickly change the "system". Some are even calling for a benign dictatorship - what for to simply preserve their interests ??

MMP has been ratified twice by the majority of Kiwis - get used to it !

I did not vote for NZ First but am happy to accept the outcome of the negotiations and whatever govt eventuates. That's democracy !

Coalitions is what UK, Aust and Germany has and yes smaller parties do get a disproportionate amount of influence. So what ?
Do you expect silent opportunistic "yes" men like Seymour and Dunne all the time ?

So all the moaning little spoilt brats out there, grow up, pick up your toys, wipe your tears, pull up your nappies and move on....

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So what have other coalitions got to do with NZ?
The fact is NZ has a person who could not hold his electorate, got only 7.5% of the vote and is now holding the NZ public to ransom.
It is he and toadies like "Sid Sane" who are behaving like "spoilt brats", do not know what "democracy' means and have conveniently forgotten the the South Island voted against MMP.
What we have now is the "tyranny of the minority on the majority".
It is unsustainable. Always has been
I believe you Mr Sane when you say, you "did not vote for NZF".
I am well aware of the eligibility age of voting in NZ.

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Yes go on and on like a broken record...
Enough with the whinging and whining

If South Island did not vote for MMP hold your own referendum like the Catalonians and declare independence from NZ!

Thank God the moaners are the dying breed dinosaurs and will not be around for future NZ !

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John's definition of democracy is that the only people whose votes count are if they are the same as his.

So the fact that the majority of NZers voted for MMP is irrelevant because John's South Islander's did not so the will of the rest does not matter.

Maybe we should just let John decide everthing....

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you say, "Thank God the moaners are the dying breed dinosaurs and will ......"
Winston First??

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Where oh where are the conspiracy theorists!! ?? A secret faceless board..! Winston is clearly a member of the Luminati (not to be confused with the dentists...)...

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What we seem to be forgetting here is that this is a negotiation. I struggle with this concept that Winston Peters makes the decision. That's not the case. Its no more his decision to get in bed with Bill or Jacinda than it is their decision to not get in bed with him.

Could it be that the delay in a decision is due to National and Labour having bottom lines that NZ First are struggling with.

To be clear, I don't like Winston and never have, but to throw our hands up the air and say he has too much power is getting ahead of ourselves.

I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait to see where this process lands.

Whilst I am concerned about which way he may lean, the one thing I am sure of is Winston is an intelligent and populist politician who will be very wary that he would not want his legacy to be seen as one where he went against the will of the people in promoting a pet policy.

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