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NZ POLITICS DAILY: Greens pummelled from all sides on lobbying bill

Bryce Edwards
Fri, 26 Oct 2012

The Green Party is currently being pummeled from all sides for its Lobbying Disclosure Bill.

Although Parliament passed the first reading of Holly Walker’s private member’s bill, it seems that this occurred in a motherhood-and-apple-pie moment of MPs not wanting to appear opposed to greater transparency in the political process. But with proper scrutiny applied to the Greens’ proposal, the full awfulness of the bill is becoming more apparent. Not only does it seem that the bill would be unlikely to achieve its stated objective, but it could have all manner of unintended consequences for the political process – some of them very negative for popular participation in politics.

For the most damning record of what the critics are saying, see David Farrar’s More lethal criticism of Lobbying Transparency Bill. Farrar has usefully waded through the submissions and summarises a selection from a wide variety of organisations that have serious doubts about the bill. Critics of the bill include everyone from the Auditor General through to the CTU. The normally mild Law Society has been particularly condemning, labeling the Green bill, ‘little more than legislation by slogan’.

Farrar also has some helpful advice for MPs about private member’s bills: ‘They are draft pieces of legislation and should be taken seriously.  Don’t just submit something your staff give you, or a former MP gives you. Spend a couple of months or more consulting people on it’. There is far more blunt advice from Scott Yorke: ‘Someone, please, put this bill out of its misery’ – see: A Good Argument For Euthanasia. In a second satirical blogpost, Yorke relents and gives some practical advice on how to fix the bill, suggesting that only ‘evil’ lobbyists need to be registered. He details a process for deciding who is actually evil and even has recommendations on appointments to the ‘Evil Lobbyist Consideration Appeal Authority’, appeals to which ‘will be heard by the former directors of Bridgecorp Holdings. If you want expertise on evil, go to the best’ – see: How To Fix The Lobbying Bill.
 
The most recent authoritative voice to express deep concerns about the Greens’ lobbying bill is Mary Harris, the Clerk of Parliament, who fears the bill ‘could have a chilling effect on communication with members of Parliament’ – see Audrey Young’s Lobbying bill comes under fire. Harris points out that many parliamentary staff would actually be classified as ‘lobbyists’ under the current wording. 
 
As you would expect, the lobbyists themselves have also entered the debate. It would, presumably, be professionally embarrassing if they were unable to influence legislation that threatened their own interests – see John Hartevelt’s Lobbyists push back against bill. Apparently the very word ‘lobbyist’ is somewhat distasteful to... lobbyists. They prefer to be known as ‘advocates’. For further insight into their thinking see Chris McIntyre’s recent interview with longtime lobbyist Barry Saunders – see: How About A Cheeky Lobby
 
The bill’s supporters can reasonably argue that, given the main targets are lobbyists, a vociferous reaction could be expected from them. However, the number of submitters opposing the bill who aren’t lobbyists points to more than just self-interest at stake. Apart from the flaws and possible unintended consequences, it is unclear that the bill would even achieve much. It’s worth noting that despite numerous regulations regarding lobbyist behaviour, the US political system isn’t exactly the poster child for limits on the power of paid lobbying. 
 
New Zealand does need to consider introducing further regulation of lobbying, and there shouldn’t be any sort of complacency due to the lack of severe corruption in the politics of this country. But the lesson seems to be that you can’t simply create – as the Law Society says – legislation by sloganeering. 
 
The Greens – and MP Holly Walker in particular – are discovering that what they thought would be a popular measure of increasing transparency on the ‘fat cats’ is turning into a major embarrassment for them. This comes at a time when the party is more popular than ever. Of course one of the unwelcome side-effects of political success and profile is greater scrutiny, and so it is beginning to bite for the Greens. Similarly, their advocacy of quantitative easing certainly generated a lot of comment but most of it wouldn’t have helped their drive to be taken seriously as economic managers. 
 
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The Green Party is currently fundraising to ‘reduce child poverty’ in New Zealand. But will the financial donations they’re seeking actually go to children in poverty? Of course not – it’s a political fundraiser for the party itself – see Pete George’s Green Party politics of poverty. The Greens have responded to the criticisms and deny ‘using child poverty to mislead people into donating to them’ according to Kate Chapman’s article, Greens say funding ploy is 'Obama-style'.
 
Will anyone take responsibility for the Police bungles? Vernon Small is waiting patiently: ‘Have been listening very hard this morning, but am still to hear anyone utter the word ''accountability'' in relation to the cases where the courts have thrown out charges because of police errors’ – see: Police errors: who carries the can?  The automatic leaping to their defence by some doesn’t impress the Dom Post: ‘Police Association president Greg O'Connor has sprung to the defence of his members and lambasted the judge for undoing "a lot of hard and extremely creative work". A more unfortunate choice of words is difficult to imagine’ - see: Police conduct is unbecoming. With O’Connor’s recent dismissal of the report on police culture as ‘ritual humiliation’ a few commentators are think his time is up. Danyl Mclauchlan asks how we would react if the teacher or nursing unions defended members who had acted illegally in the same way – see: Small thought experiment. See also Martyn Bradbury’s It's time for Greg O'Connor to resign and The Standard’s Time for Greg O’Connor to resign.
 
Should tobacco companies be allowed to lobby publically against further anti-tobacco laws? Some think not, with numerous complaints being made about British American Tobacco New Zealand's "agree/disagree" campaign opposing plain packaging – see Ben Heather’s Complaints over tobacco 'public awareness campaign'. A Manawatu Standard editorial stands up for ‘the freedom to publicly express views, however unpopular they might be’ – see: Debate must not be extinguished
 
Politicians don’t like to be seen as wowsers or favouring the ‘nanny state’, yet some MPs have been proposing some major clampdowns on alcohol – see Claire Trevett’s Are politicians 'wowsers' on alcohol? Apparently, when voting this week on the Alcohol Reform Bill, ‘Labour's line-up of purse-lipped amendments includes minimum pricing, warning labels, bans on advertising before 9pm, bans on liquor outlets near schools, a lower drink-driving limit and Goff's own amendment - limiting the alcohol content of alcopops to 5 per cent’. Even more surprising was Andrew Little’s proposal to shut all off-licences at 8pm. The New Zealand Drug Foundation might equally incur the labels of wowsers and nanny statists if you read the critiques of them by David Farrar and economist Eric Crampton – see Drug Foundation Alcohol Bingo and You can't kill a bad stat
 
The public service appears to be becoming more politicised according to Jane Clifton. This is her conclusion after the amazing leaks to politicians that have been occurring from government departments under scrutiny – see: The public service’s growing malaise. Clifton suggests ‘maybe it’s time to have an honest debate about a) how politicised the public sector is already and b) how much more politicised we want it to become’.
 
How well is the National Government doing in terms of fulfilling its election promises? TV3 has done some opinion polling on this, and Duncan Garner reports the results in National's bright future not here yet – poll
 
There will be plaudits awarded to the Government for the decision to grant visas to 25 Afghani interpreters employed by the New Zealand Defence Force. However, the apparent life-saving offer doesn’t extend to ‘former’ interpreters used by the Government – see Olivia Carville and Vernon Small’s Ex-interpreters excluded from NZ deal
 
Who are New Zealand’s best journalists? Chris Trotter bemoans that this country’s journalists aren’t like those in the TV series The Newsroom – see: Why can't journalism be more like TV? But he name checks those in the industry who he has high regard for: Nicky Hager, Jon Stephenson, John Campbell, Pip Keane, Mark Jennings, and the late Warren Berryman.
 
As the Australian Government proposes large spending cuts to defend their surplus Corin Dann thinks that Bill English will take a more pragmatic view – see: Surplus not worth dying in a ditch over
 
There is a long list of words and phrases MPs are not allowed to use to describe each other in the house. In an unusual move Lockwood Smith has put one word back in the parliamentary vocabulary – see: Hypocrisy back in the Beehive.  For a list of some more unusual insults that have been banned over the years see Unparliamentary language.
 
The inclusion of the Pouakani claim over part of the Waikato River bed in the Maori Council’s legal challenge is a clever move says Greg Presland in What the Maori Council may argue in Court
 
The number of people in serious or urgent need of housing has nearly doubled since last year but between 10% and 25% of state houses remain vacant in the areas of greatest need reports Radio New Zealand – see: Thousands of state homes empty as waiting list grows
 
Brian Fallow has an excellent backgrounder on the current problems with our carbon trading system – see: Emissions scheme on a stretcher
 
New Zealand may be forced to take sides between the US-led Trans Pacific Partnership and the new Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) which includes China, due to be launched in November at the next ASEAN summit – see Gordon Campbell’s Asia’s rival trade deal to the TPPA. Meanwhile Toby Manhire wonders how the assurances from Trade Negotiations Minister Tim Groser that the TPPA is not ‘anti-China’ can be squared with comments in the recent presidential debates – see: TPP secrecy invites suspicion about US.
 
Tensions between the government and the Christchurch City council are on the rise again with the Finance Minister saying the council ‘did not understand its predicament’ and Mayor Bob Parker calling the comments ‘frankly outrageous’ – see Michael Berry’s English slates council finances.
 
Finally, two very contrasting views on neglected children are in evidence with economist Brian Easton slamming legislation that will cut benefits for parents who neglect their children: ‘Children who are already victims will suffer further. The practice in some countries of punishing rape victims is barbaric; this bill is equally barbaric, as are those who promote it’ – see: The poverty trap. The punitive approach is endorsed by Conservative Leader Colin Craig, however: ‘The issue is not whether lunchlessness is detrimental to learning. Rather the issue is a parents’ duty to provide for their children.’ – see: TV3’s 'No free lunches' for hungry kids, says Colin Craig
 
Bryce Edwards
 
Today's content:

 

 
Lobbying bill
Audrey Young (Herald): Lobbying bill comes under fire
John Hartevelt (Stuff): Lobbyists push back against bill
Felix Marwick (Newstalk ZB): Concerns raised over Green MP's lobbyist Bill
David Farrar (Kiwiblog): A CTU porkie
Scott Yorke (Imperator Fish): A Good Argument For Euthanasia
Scott Yorke (Imperator Fish): How To Fix The Lobbying Bill
 
WINZ privacy breaches
Kate Shuttleworth (Herald): Bennett says privacy failures 'one-off'
No Right Turn: WINZ doesn't care
 
Water rights and asset sales
Vernon Small (Stuff): Another dead rat for Key
Mike Hosking (Newstalk ZB): Solomon’s comments and the Maori Council
Adam Bennett (Herald): Court date for asset sales
Audrey Young and Adam Bennett (Herald): Mighty River sale paused during court action
Greg Presland (Waitakere News): What the Maori Council may argue in Court
No Right Turn: On hold
 
Police
Andrea Vance and Ian Steward (Stuff): Police errors see two gang cases unravel
Vernon Small (Stuff): Police errors: who carries the can?
Robert Winter (Idle Thoughts): Our trusty police?
Danyl Mclauchlan (Dim Post): Small thought experiment
Chris Trotter (Bowalley Road): Memo. To: Greg O'Connor From: Billy Jack
Martyn Bradbury (Tumeke): It's time for Greg O'Connor to resign
No Right Turn: The price of rotten cops
 
Housing
Max Rashbrooke (Listener): Private boarding house horrors
 
Waitangi Tribunal report on Tuhoe / Treaty settlements
Kate Chapman and Danya Levy (Stuff): Tribunal slams Crown over Urewera Treaty breaches
 
Alcohol reform bill
Claire Trevett (Herald): Are politicians 'wowsers' on alcohol?
Claire Trevett (Herald): Collins rejects liquor pleas
Claire Trevett (Herald): Alcohol law delay needed: Collins
John Hartevelt and Danya Levy (Stuff): MPs set for weeks of debate on alcohol
John Hartevelt (Stuff): MPs to debate liquor law changes
David Farrar (KIwiblog): The marathon alcohol debate
David Farrar (Kiwiblog): Drug Foundation Alcohol Bingo
Eric Crampton (Offsetting Behaviour): You can't kill a bad stat
Angela Cuming (Stuff): Expert backs Moroney stance
Eric Crampton (Offsetting Behaviour): Labelling and non-tariff barriers
 
Tobacco politics
Michael Cummings (Manawatu Standard): Editorial: Debate must not be extinguished
 
Parliament
John Armstrong (Herald): MPs turn wrath on caustic Speaker
Jane Clifton (Dom Post): Hypocrisy back in the Beehive
Gordon Campbell (Wellingtonian): Speaker's chair a hard one to fill
 
Opinion polls
Duncan Garner (TV3): A brighter future? Apparently not
 
Youth in police custody
Paloma Migone (Stuff): Concerns sparked by youth detention
Dom Post: Editorial: Time for police to provide answers
 
Economy
No Right Turn: Unsurprising
Bryan Gould (Herald): Cuts come with consequences
Herald: Editorial: All eyes on the Bank's new man
Pattrick Smellie (Stuff): Stiff bristles for Treasury new broom
Jordan Carter (Just Left): Taming globalization
 
ETS
Brian Fallow (Herald): Emissions scheme on a stretcher
Matthew Backhouse (Herald): Carbon credit price crash could force sales
 
Christchurch
Michael Berry (Stuff): English slates council finances
Steven Cowan (Against the current): Tony’s one finger salute
 
Employment
Eric Crampton (Offsetting Behaviour): The Unemployable and the Unemploying
Paul Walker (Anti-Dismal): Trotter, Shearer and the labour market
Alison McCulloch (Werewolf): A Broader Union
 
Other
Olivia Carville and Vernon Small (Stuff): Ex-interpreters excluded from NZ deal
Kate Shuttleworth (Herald): Afghan interpreters to be given asylum in NZ
Lawrence Gullery (Herald): Federated Farmers: No to GM ban
Gordon Campbell (Scoop): On Asia’s rival trade deal to the TPPA
Pete George (Your NZ): Green Party politics of poverty
Richard Swainson (Waikato Times): Kiwi joker Jones spits the satirical dummy
Tom Pullar-Strecker (Stuff): Curran calls for balance in copyright review
Te Ara: Signposts: Labour Day and May Day
Brian Eason (Listener): The poverty trap
John Drinnan (Herald): Sunday Star-Times storm
Yvonne Tahana (Herald): Royal events in fundraiser plan
Jared Savage (Herald): Yan seen with crime boss
Amelia Wade (Herald): The old country: NZ median age up
Bill Frelick and Michael Timmins (Huffington Post): Exporting Australia's Asylum Policies
Simon Cunliffe (Stuff): Jokey, blokey John is just a distant memory [Not currently online]
Gordon Campbell (Werewolf): When Local GPs are a Closed Book
Alison McCulloch (Werewolf): When Teaching Becomes Preaching
Gordon Campbell (Werewolf): Acting Under Orders
Stuff: Today in politics: Friday, October 26
Stuff: Today in politics: Thursday, October 25
Stuff: Today in politics: Wednesday, October 24
Bryce Edwards
Fri, 26 Oct 2012
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